Calling an end to this one. Guys, this is a UK subreddit set up to talk about and celebrate the best of the UK, culture, entertainment, food, nostalgia, anything and everything. We don't need constant "DAE America bad?!". It's an entirely different country, leave them alone, no more of this.


America seemed ridiculously cool as a kid back then thanks to the US only existing in films, TV, and adverts for Disneyworld. Everyone had mansions and convertibles, schools had massive sports games, their fast food was colourful and enticing, and everyone had a "do what I want" spirit. Social media and adulthood really took the shine off the place.


Many people still have a "do what I want" spirit, which is part of the reason I really wouldn't want to go.


I moved from Yorkshire to Oregon in 2016 and only regret it when I need to visit a doctor or dentist. However, if it were easy for my wife to come back to the UK with me we’d probably move.


I'll put you up pal. Marry her too, if it makes it easier for you.


Nay lad, tha can come ‘om any time and bring thi missus an all.


You mean our lass


Yorkshire thee, like thee used to be..


Oregon has it’s fair share of issues that plague the US as a whole as well, but damn if it’s not one of the best states to live in


Is weed legal?


Has been since 2015.


OP has Paris, Texas Syndrome. And they didn't even have to go anywhere.


Can you explain this reference to me? I know the movie Paris, Texas but am not sure if it's related to that


Pretty sure it's just a play on Paris syndrome, where people discover Paris isn't as romantic as they've seen in films etc and they're suddenly disillusioned when they get there. But Paris Texas syndrome because you know, America.


"See Paris [Texas] and die" ...of boredom


hey I liked that movie


The 90s was still the peak of the United States supremacy and the average person's economic power here, even factoring out the nostalgia goggles. One example I've used in the past is vehicles. When's the last time entire fleets of public works vehicles, school vehicles, religious vehicles, and private business/organization vehicles were upgraded wholesale? The 90s. Now, 30 years later, many organizations are still using their 90s vehicles because they don't have the funding for anything new. In part because of budget cuts, and in part because of less spending power for the average person. Pitching in to help buy a new trailer for the Boy Scouts was doable then, but even replacing the tires on one now is a burden.


To be honest, both views of America are way distorted just based off the media consumed. Back in the day, it was way distorted as a utopia with tv and movies and now it’s way distorted as a dystopia with social media and such. In reality like most things, the truth is somewhere in between. It’s a huge country with a bunch of people and different cultures and good things and bad things. Don’t get duped into only believing one side.




It works best when we stay in our own lane and try to do our best. Social media makes a Bostonian think they need a Hawaiian to bend to their will instead of just focusing on making Boston a great place. Only ~20% of the country uses Twitter or Facebook month to month. So, 80% of the country is still just plugging along and doing their best. So, it works.


I thinkt they still do have big sporting events at school, or at least at college they do


You know, a lot of people say The Simpsons predicted the future with uncanny precision. It was written back in the late 80s / early 90s as a social commentary, warning where things were headed. Nothing changed. And things went that way.


I lived and went to school in Mount Vernon, New York city for about a year when I was 15 and it was quite the experience, coming from a typical comprehensive high school in the UK and being dropped square in the middle of of a American high school was insane. I remember the first time I went to school and had to go through a metal detector monitored by an armed security guard, and let me tell you that was quite the bloody culture shock. Needles to say, it took the shine off living there for me real quickly. I've always said I'd like to go back to America to see the sights and visit the national parks, but that's only because I know I could go home to the real world again.


What I'm picturing is Jay from the inbetweeners showing up to the security guards at the metal detectors. "Morning benders"


The alternate reality show I didn't know I wanted.


Oooh, fan fiction fweendss.


there was a US version of the inbetweeners it was as good as you'd imagine it would be


Well that, was fucking dreadful


They gimmie a pat down and took me to one side cos they thought I was smuggling a truncheon, know what I mean?


"Shooter Drill? Completed it mate."


Unfortunately the US Inbetweeners was nowhere near this clever


Important to note that would be a shock to a lot of us older Americans, too// went to high school on the late 80s, and if any school had a metal detector, I certainly had never heard of it back then.


It saddens me to see how schools are now, my kids' schools are like a prison. With yesterday being another reminder of why. My daughter was crying and fearful of school shootings this morning, and she's a teenager. Things have changed, before Columbine it wasn't like this.


Dallas Tx definitely had metal detectors in the early 80s. Had them in junior high and high school, graduated in ‘83.


This is more likely based on location than time period. Schools near me (slightly rural south) don’t have metal detectors.


Went to HS in Arizona for a year in ‘99. It was in the middle of nowhere near a desert and an army base. You couldn’t go anywhere without a car… felt stuck and pretty lonely back then… met my Canadian husband a few years later and moved with him to Montreal ten years ago. We drive to the States at least once a year (mostly NY, Vermont and Boston), always glad to come back to a country with stricter gun control and universal health care! My Canadian dream is coming to an end soon though- moving back to Germany in the summer…


How did you find the education? I’ve lectured Americans in the UK and found that their SAT level was lower than GCSEs.


I was born in Texas. I’ve spent half my life in Texas and half in California. We moved from Austin to Los Angeles several years ago. The experience of Texas vs California has been *vastly* different from my perspective. Just mentioning this because the US can be very different from region to region. Birmingham Alabama is quite different from Seattle Washington.




Mount Vernon isn’t exactly the best we have to offer lol


I’m from the US and that’s more of an inner city experience of American highschool which is pretty different than many suburban and rural school districts. A lot of Americans would have culture shock moving from a smaller suburban school to one like Mt Vernon. I will say that my opinion of the US has changed drastically since I was a kid and it’s become glaringly apparent that there is no such bullshit thing called “American exceptionalism” which is a term they pushed on us in global studies during grade school.


I've been to the US on holiday before. Spent a month touring around a bunch of cities and (as a pasty skinned white bloke) never had any issues whatsoever. I loved my time over there and want to head back again at some point. Wouldn't want to live there though. I'm in it for an easy life, not a wealthy one, and the day to day hassle Americans have to go through just to exist is a heavier burden on them than I'd be willing to put up with.


That second paragraph of yours really hits it spot on for me. I’m English but currently living in the USA (Texas) while my American husband gets his degree. This shooting was the final nail in the coffin for me and we’re moving back to the U.K. next year. I’ve not really enjoyed much about living here the past two years at all. My husband tried to argue that our life would be better in the USA as his career field pays much better than in the U.K., but I essentially said to him what you wrote - I don’t care how much money we have if I have to worry about our daughter being killed at school.


You might get more dollars, but everything in the USA is systematically set up to extract as many as those from your wallet as possible.


This. The pay does not matter as much as the final take-home amount after factoring in everything. Don't get me started on the potential of losing everything you worked extremely hard for just to be able to make medical payments if you get into any sort of medical barriers. Sincerely, A British expat in the US


I heard the US described as a pyramid scheme with a police force.






>if I have to worry about our daughter being killed at school. yeah, i mean this is just crazy that its even a realistic consideration that has to be made if living in the States


Exactly! I’m a stay at home mum currently but I’m planning on going back to work once my daughter starts school. But my background is in school administration and I wouldn’t want to be working at a school in the USA aside from my daughter attending too. It’s just too much.


I'm a Brit living in the states and yeah, the money here *is* great - but I'm planning on moving back to the UK with my US wife and dual national kid by the time he goes to 'big school'. The money you can earn here is incredible, and even with the higher cost of things like groceries you still manage to save a fair chunk of change every month, something which we wouldn't be doing back in London. At this rate we will be able to afford to outright buy a half a million pound house by the time we're 40 and that would never be possible with UK salaries and mortgage overheads there.


What gets me is that both your wife and kid will have to file taxes with the IRS for life even if you come back over here, your kid grows up here and lives here for 99% of his life. Unless they drop their US citizenship, of course. It's such a ridiculous system; guy I do music with from the US has lived in the UK since 1974 and still has to file every year. He's been fined multiple times for doing it late in recent years because he's getting old and his memory is going a bit.


Yeah you can’t buy a new kid.


Nor, with American health care, can you afford to repair one.


I like to think I'm fairly practical, show me the service manual and I'll do it my bloody self


I'm still so tempted to go work in the US for a couple of years. It seems really easy to get a job paying $200-300k. I could just work there for a bit, try not to get shot or get ill, and return to the UK never having to think about money again in my life.


> It seems really easy to get a job paying $200-300k Really depends on your field of work, but please don't get in your head thinking $200-300k jobs are the norms here. Take it from a British ex-pat living in the US.


>$200-300k I mean if you're in tech at a big company in a big city, *maybe*. Look up median salaries in the US my dude...


Idk what else you specifically disliked about Texas, but as an American, the ten years I spent in Texas were genuinely terrible. Very weird, unwelcoming state. I've had a much better experience in Georgia.


I’ve never felt *un*welcome here, but I haven’t exactly felt welcome either? It’s strange. But to answer your semi-question, my next biggest issue here is the healthcare which is of course the same wherever you are in the USA. If it weren’t for that I *might’ve* considered trying another state.


Yeah reading his comment I was like "Of all the places to live in the US, why in the fuck would you choose Texas?" lol


I’m an American living in the U.K. with my wife for 3 years now and while I think the U.K. is a lovely place it hasn’t entirely tickled my fancy in a lot of ways and I have been pining about moving home. I’ve had a daughter in the U.K. and with these shootings and just how horrendous the politics have been getting it has me really thinking about calling a zee a zed for as long as the queen will have me. Jokes aside about it all, it’s an absolute tragedy in so many ways.


I'm an American living in the UK. If I had kids I absolutely would want them in UK schools over American schools. Besides all the "alternative fact teaching" in the US, I just can't fathom the active shooter drills kids go through. We used to have fire drills....the bell would ring and it was a joy to skip lessons for a while and go outside. But nowadays they learn to hide under desks, learn how to blockade doors....this must be scarring young minds in ways we can't imagine.


Well, as an American I have to point out that you moved to Texas. They are all about that American freedom, which most of us can’t fucking stand because it’s not freedom it’s selfishness. They are loud and proud. I can’t believe I’m saying this because my beloved PNW is being inundated with transplants, but come on up. The climate is similar to the UK and there are a lot of brits up here.


If it weren’t for the healthcare system I would definitely consider moving up to the PNW. I’ve always wanted to visit at the very least.


And as an Oregonian, I have to point out that your username checks out... haha


As a non pasty woman I didn't have issues when holidaying in the US either, but I have only been to tourist places. I think the US is super fun for holidays, there is so much to see and do, but I couldn't live there.


> non pasty Don't tell anyone from Wigan that Edit: actually, *definitely* tell anyone from Wigan that


Isn't Wigan famous for pies? I imagine they'd be anti-pasty.


I thought it was the Italians that were anti-pasty?


You're thinking of Joanna Lumley who was Aunty Patsy.


Pasties aren’t frowned upon; it’s more that pies are venerated. Source: born and bred


Is this the same place that puts a pie Inna bun?


A barm, my friend. Not a bun.


Wigan is pie not pasty.


The US is one of my favourite place for holidays. I’ve done a few roadtrips over there and their national parks, particularly the ones in Utah, are really very special. Some top notch cities for short breaks too (New Orleans being a favourite of mine). 100% couldn’t live there. On the other hand, actively planning to move to Canada.


As an American who has lived in UK and Canada- good luck. The Canadian housing market was worse than US and UK for me. I left.


Yeah, listen to this guy, OP. I am currently in the process of moving out of Canada after moving back two years ago. The cost of living is atrocious and there is zero political or social will to fix it. The OECD is expecting Canada to be the worst performing developed nation, every year, for the next 40 years. This place is a powder keg built on a ponzi scheme economic plan, which has bottlenecked its own plan by not building enough homes, and now they're too expensive to build and there's nowhere to build them because of entrenched NIMBYs.


Yeah buying/owning a home in Canada seems super stressful as an American based on how your mortgages are set up. Like the interest amortizes as if it’s a 25-30 year loan but you have to refinance the rate every five years right? That seems like it would perpetuate the mentality that home values must always increase.


>The US is one of my favourite place for holidays. I’ve done a few roadtrips over there and their national parks, particularly the ones in Utah, are really very special. Some top notch cities for short breaks too (New Orleans being a favourite of mine).100% couldn’t live there. Agree with this completely, the US is an excellent holiday destination and i'm looking forward to (hopefully) getting out there later this year. I still have some air miles accrued pre pandemic to redeem! Not a chance i'd live there though... for so many reasons.


As a dude of Indian descent I never had issues either. I stuck to main East Coast cities though.... don't think I'll ever go to the Bible belt


I went to... New York, Raleigh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, then back to New York. They were all really nice, though I didn't see much of Atlanta due to train delays getting me in late and a horrific hangover I had on my last day there.


Kind of similar to me but way more places - I did Chicago, Boston, DC, and New York


If you’re non-white, you’re probably fine if you don’t leave the cities. All of them are predominantly left leaning, even in the south. But even in the north if you get into the country, the racism, among other archaic beliefs ramp up about 12 notches


I’m Australian, and grew up in the 90’s/2000’s and I used to feel exactly the same. My mum, who spent time living in America used to tell me that ‘no, trust me, you don’t want to live in America. It’s so much better here in Australia and you’ll realise that one day.’ Now I’m 28 I definitely realise how lucky I am to not be American.


My mom is American and chose to raise me in England and we used to have the *exact* same conversation. I am so grateful to be British now.


I grew up in America for the first 30ish years of my life and have lived in Australia for nearly 10 years. 100% agree with your mum, Australia is a better place to live. There are of course things that America has that I miss, but beyond those few things, I’m better off here.




Missed your chance to be Florida man/mam. South east England man doesn't have the same ring to it


Who knows what shenanigans this lost Florida man could have gotten up to I wonder if they'd have topped the guy who got charged with assault with a deadly weapon after throwing an alligator into a Wendy's drive thru window


They must have really bad customer service


It certainly came back to bite them.


Must have not been snappy enough


>South east England man doesn't have the same ring to it Kentish man?


Essex Man would certainly ring true as a stand-in in some of the wild headlines you see about Florida Man


By day, mild mannered Clark Super


Where I live there is still a residue of suspicion about people from Kent... Something just not quite right about them


He could be *SE Man*


Oh look, here comes some semen. Yeah, id put that aside for now


Devon-man however ;) own it!


We lived in Orlando, Florida when I was a kid. I don’t remember it being crazy like it is now. Not sure if that’s because I was more worried about playing with friends and going to DisneyWorld or because it was the 80s, or both. We left in 89. Kinda glad we did now.


Live here now. Our politicians suck for sure, but it’s not as crazy here as people think it is based on what the internet feeds them.


My dad moved to the US from Iraq. To Mississippi. So yeah either way I was fucked


> Mississippi My condolences.


Thank you 🫠


Quite happy being a UK immigrant in Canada 👍


I'm an American living in the UK. I was an 80s/90s kid and yeah, life was good. At least it seemed to be. The first time I really got concerned was the school shooting in Colorado in 1999. Everything just went down hill from there. 9/11, tons of mass shootings/school shootings, no health care, housing crisis. You name it. I never had kids because I was afraid that they'd go to school and get shot. Now I live in the UK and am married to a British man, but I'm too old to have kids. People here always ask why I'd leave California. Because America is a dumpster fire and I was lucky to get out.


I lived in California from age 4 to 21. Left in 2000 for the UK. Timed to perfection I think. Everyone always asks which I prefer and I say I prefer the land in California but the people in England. If I could live in an english village in northern California, that would be great.


I totally agree!


I'm American, but lived in the UK as a teen. Was a wonderful place, I cherished my education there and would do anything to move back there. The US education system is not comparable and we have serious issues here in part due to that. Unfortunately, I am disabled and can never leave the US again, but I understand the sentiment in this post.




Yep, born in 1980. Honestly, my childhood was pretty cool. We did ride around the neighborhood on our bikes and invented mysteries to solve. Always had a great time going trick-or-treating by ourselves. It was a carefree time and we lived in the greatest country in the world (so we were told). I'm sure our parents kept a lot of worries from us, but boy howdy, things got real for me at 19-20 years old.


I remember around the time of Independence Day and Armageddon coming out thinking to myself how arrogant America was to think that they would be the grand heroes if the need ever arose, and that that arrogance would be their downfall. It's really upsetting to watch this happening, but it has been on the cards for decades. It's on my mind all the time now, just a background buzz. Just waiting for the next unbelievably shitty thing to happen. And for nothing to change. It's so sad.


Some of us grew up knowing our ‘exceptionalism’ was all bullshit. Lol. My dad was in Vietnam, so we were never a patriotic family. I can still hear him ‘All this shit about us being the greatest and superior. Lies. It will all come out one day, hopefully not in your lifetime.’ Sorry pop.


You were lucky. I waited too long to try to get out, and now, I'm stuck here.


> Because America is a dumpster fire Nailed it, and in such an American way!!


I'm American and fantasize about living in England. Finding my very own Spice girl we munch on fish & chips while watching Mr. Bean.


I grew up in uk and moved with family in 1996. Been here ever since. I’m not a citizen and don’t ever plan to be. Every time though I come through immigration I get pulled to the side for a couple of mild misdemeanors that happened 16 years ago, I just came back from visiting my mum on Friday and was pulled out of line and taken to “the room”, made to wait then just handed my passport back. I asked the officer why this kept happening and he said I should become a citizen and I’d be ok!! I’d move back to England in a heartbeat if I could but my husband is here. I’m lucky really as we live in a quiet town in a rural area.


Uvalde is a quiet town in a rural area


They've done the same thing to my mom whos in her mid-70s. She's been a permanent resident of the US since '73, but now spends most of her time In Belfast N.I. since the 2015 (the irony, there). To keep US residency, she needs to come to the US for at least 30 days before returning. The passport folks upon return give her a lot of grief much the same way as they did you. It's totally fucked and this seems like something that ahs gotten worse the past 10-15 years.




It’s just a personal choice and I’m not going to be forced into it by immigration. 🇬🇧


I grew up in Romania, I was a kid in the 2000s and always fantasised about America too. I ended up moving to England at 19 as it was way easier and closer, I definitely made the right decision. Even though it's getting rough here too, I couldn't imagine living in the US because of things like healthcare, vacation time, gun laws and the list goes on.. I love it here and I love you guys!


We just got back from a few days in Cluj-Napoca… wouldn’t mind living there in the slightest


Cluj is lovely indeed! I grew up near Brasov in the Carpathian Basin, I miss seeing those mountains everywhere I look. There's a lot you can't see as a tourist, more rural locations are not doing so well and there are fundamental problems everywhere. However I mostly moved because I wanted an adventure and ended up going to uni here but I definitely want to go back one day, despite of the negatives.


Sounds better than my GF's description of Romania. That being said... I hear Constanța isn't the best


Healthcare, annual leave, gun law, maternity pay, Jsa and car culture are the reasons why I couldn’t move.


Daaaa frate!


Can I ask, did you ever get any of our shoeboxes and if so what did you think of them? Let me explain. Every year just before Christmas we had to fill up a shoebox full of sweets, toys and toothpaste to send to some Romanian kid who apparently would not otherwise get a Christmas present. Except we had to do it twice because both our school and our church were part of the program. It seems so surreal now looking back with more knowledge of the world, like, Romania may be poorer than us, but it's not exactly the third world.


I didn't, no, but my family was always doing okay. I do remember other kids getting stuff from abroad, might have been a Red Cross thing? People are generally all right, but there are many who are REALLY poor.


Same. Growing up watching mostly American tv shows I wished I lived there. Then I grew up and realised while there are undoubtedly wonderful things about America I’d rather not go bankrupt if I break my leg, or get shot going shopping or work basically all year with no annual leave. Couldn’t pay me to live there now.


The lack of annual leave is wild.


That and the lack of maternity leave too. I have an American friend who has a really good, well respected well paying job, and had to go back 3 weeks after having her baby after having also used her annual leave. Seems insane to me, my wife had a year off and our kid still felt pretty tiny and highly dependant when she had to go back to work.


This too is wild. Seriously wtf




No grizzly bears, cougars or tornadoes here in UK, thank fuck I live this side of the pond!


There’s always cougars in my area what are you talking about?


And they are desperately searching for you apparently.


He watches porn




I saw an add on the internet telling me this.


I moved to the US, we get black bears around our house a coupl e of times a year. There have been no maulings in the area in the time I've lived here, one did eat a deer just up the road though. I miss the UK, being able to go for a walk with actual pavements to walk on. Not needing to drive everywhere. Despite what you'd think, seemingly better weather there but I'm from near Bournemouth. My kids are in elementary school and whenever this shit happens, I drop a comment to my American wife about moving to the UK. I think she'll slowly come around. I don't want to force her and have her blame me if she's miserable. I know things aren't the same there as when I was a kid but one of the big things for me is that the kids can walk to primary school. I know I could find that here, but it would likely be an inner city or somewhere redneck I wouldn't want to live. Most places in between are pretty spread out.


Dorset boy here, you can't drive in Bournemouth anyway, the roads are shit.


Apex predators galore in some parts of the USA. I know they are magestically beautiful but if I was there and one was near me I would shit my pants. I can't get my head around when I read about stupid things tourists (and also Americans themselves) have done like approaching them to take pictures as if they are tame pet cats/dogs and end up mauled or killed.


The UK actually has more tornadoes per area per year than any other country.


We also have a silly amount of earthquakes but they're just too small to feel


They wont tell you this but its just the tube


Yeah but unlike the Americans we don’t make a fuss and [just carry on drinking](https://imgur.com/a/2TXlTgl)


I swore this said “tomatoes” instead of tornadoes and was so confused why the UK was lacking tomatoes


Badger could give you a nasty nip though.


We would have brown bears and eurasian lynxes here but unfortunately they were hunted to extinction hundreds of years ago for their fur.


And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle


If my grandma had wheels she would've been a bike 👵🚲


Same here, was always quite envious in a way of Americans. Things aren't perfect here by any means, but fuck that, I'm so glad I'm here


Yeah it puts our problems in perspective when compared with the Yanks


Really does doesn't it 🥺


I grew up in 80s-90s america. It really started to go downhill after that but was still tolerable. Now the past year….i no longer want to live here.


When I first met my husband we talked about moving over there one day. I'm very very glad we didn't. We would be drowning in medical debt at the very least.


The US has been off my cards for a while now, the instablitiy around simply gay people is enough, but the gun thing - even accidental - I don't want to risk. Canada on the other hand is a place I've always wanted to visit - though I'm mostly interested in visiting rural and wild places!


Come visit BC! If you want rural and wild drive a couple hours outside of Vancouver and you’ll have nothing but.


American here. I think you should still visit, America is a massive country with cultural complexities and regional differences. We have a lot of horrible problems that we could and should work on, but it's still a great country for a lot of people. Not THE greatest country mind you, but still pretty good. There are still good and kind people here fighting the good fight to make it better here, the loudest are just the worst we have to offer.


Well said. I just moved out to Whitefish Montana. No one here has probably heard of it but it’s beautiful. 30 min from glacier National park, 10 from the lake, 20 from skiing, 10 from xc skiing. People are laid back and friendly to visitors from all over. We get a lot of Canadians from Alberta as well


I got sucked in. I moved from Glasgow to the states over 20 years ago. Now we are kinda stuck here. Roots. Kids. Etc. I hate it here. I miss the UK so much.


I studied at an American university few years back and realized there's a thing called "suicide by cops". This happened when a student with mental health issues (and white if anyone is curious) made an anonymous report about himself to the cops. The cops turned up, he put one wrong foot (probably on purpose) and they shot him to death. The fear of guns is real and probably explains why American cops shoot so easily as their lives are always under threat too


You wouldn't go there on holiday?!? Why on earth not? Plenty of it is lovely. California alone has a lot going for it: a wonderful city in San Francisco, beaches, huge forests, national park, mountains, snow, lakes etc. Cities like New York are great too. And there are plenty of lovely Americans out there.


The natural beauty in the US is amazing and I think unparalleled - I’m literally on a 6-week road trip of the US right now and it’s breathtaking. But the cities are an absolute mess. I have been repeatedly shocked by the homelessness crisis (I don’t use that word lightly) in every city. I love to walk places on city breaks and I normally talk to homeless people if they engage me but it is utterly overwhelming here. I just couldn’t live anywhere which has such a disregard for people’s welfare - it’s just so bleak. The UK isn’t perfect but it’s given me a huge appreciation for our country.


The homelessness in LA was crazy when I went recently, I’d heard about the problem getting worse but genuinely there was homeless people on every road even in the tourist hot spots. Plenty of homeless people on Venice Beach, Hollywood boulevard and everywhere in downtown LA, the worst part about it was that I would guess 95% of them were drug addicts


Yeah I am not surprised. We didn’t bother with LA because people told us it was messed up - really didn’t expect other cities (e.g. Portland, Seattle) to be suffering in a similar way, although I think California is especially bad. The drug addiction thing is really sad to see - I’ve seen so many people just smoking crack in the street I’m completely used to it now. The saddest thing for me (not that drug addiction isn’t already very sad) is the overlap between mental illness and homelessness in the US. I think in the UK a lot of people with mental health issues get picked up by the NHS - here it just feels like they’re completely left to their own devices. And I’m sure the drug addiction and mental health issues are commingled.


In response to pretty shameful old hospitals (electro shock treatment etc), I think the UK modernized its mental health system while here in North America they decided to close the institutions down. It was I think widely praised as a liberation of patients. Let them self determine their treatment, that kind of thing. Absolute disaster though. Will probably be reversed in the coming years.


Going to new york soon, seems to be far lower gun violence there. Been to SF, very cool city to see, amazing views and wide open roads and bridges, but the people I found quite bipolar in a sense and the prices were absurd. 2 coffees were $15 after including taxes and a tip. Also a very hard city to drive in but has decent public transport. Good red wine I found.


Bipolar is a perfect description of SF. Everyone I met there seemed like they had the potential to go crazy at the drop of a hat.


as a San Franciscoian, I concur.


I moved to the US (NYC) as I married an American... The lifestyle is better in a lot of ways (e.g. significantly higher wages for professional jobs, weather/sunshine, easier access to various cultural interests - depending on your particular interests), but the political environment is scary... I never fantasized about living here when I was growing up, but I'm not rushing to move back to the UK (and London) which have their own problems.. although those don't include frequent mass shootings.


As a fellow Brit in NYC, I’m curious by what you mean re easier access to various cultural interests specifically - I’ve previously lived in London for around 8 years in the past, and I really miss how almost all of the museums and art galleries are free there. I miss dropping into the national gallery or the Tate or the British museum for 20 minute just because I was passing through the area. In New York, the $20-30 admission fees mean I very rarely go because you need to spend hours there to make it worth it. Other cultural things I find on a par (well architecture and parks, London has the edge, musicals? New York wins, theater in general and music I find about the same), but I do really miss the museums. Do you have some specific / niche interests that are easier to access in NYC?


Just a casual reader, not a UK person, so I hope this is OK: the Metropolitan Gallery of Art is pay what you wish for NYC residents… so free, if you choose. Here in Washington, DC, where I live, nearly every museum is free. So it varies from place to place.


I have dual citizenship but was so utterly ashamed of the attitudes and culture that I bailed. Never looked back. My mild discomfort regarding numerous events has turned to disgust and anger over the years. Yesterday's shooting was the point of no return for me. I'm happy to walk away and close the door on that dumpster fire. What a mess.


I've been going back and forth about giving up my US citizenship. I moved out in 2004 and still pay my taxes there every year. My children and I have dual citizenship but I never wanted them to live there for the same reasons that have been listed out here in this thread. I've watched with heartbreak over the years as the insanity piled up. I thought, 9 years ago, that Sandy Hook would change gun control for the better. Nothing. Nothing. Like you, this was the straw for me. I'm done.


It's sad because I loved the US once, im sure youre the same. What a shame they can't sort their shit out. Obama said "if Sandy Hook didn't change their mind, nothing will" and, wow, was he right. Such toxicity in a beautiful land that has so much to offer. Just not right now. Take care.


My brother in law has duel citizenship (one parent American, the other English) and lived his childhood in both UK and USA and says much the same thing. He settled here but his brother stayed in US. He says that updates from his brother make he realised he made the correct decision. He does still love to go on holiday there though to see family and spends thanksgiving there each year. He misses somethings but not much and wouldn't choose to live there again.


I’m dual as well and that door has been firmly shut for me for about 20 years. There’s not a chance that I’d live in the US unless something seriously changes.


I have dual citizenship in the US and Germany, left America in 2020 and will never set foot in that shithole again. I don't know how people in the US can stand it. 23 mass shootings in the last two weeks alone.


Yeah. I'm FUMING. My post history today is just me telling people to fuck off. I literally can't express anything other than pure rage that people in other countries are more concerned about this issue than most US Reddit users seem to be. I know I'm being irrational and it's not *all* Americans on here, but I need to shout and rant at the ones who are being dicks. Urgh! Anyway, love, love, LOVE Germany. One of my favourite places. You guys are cool af.


Ha. I had a peek, you have told a lot of people to fuck off!


I’m a dual citizen. Lived in Britain through uni then moved to America. Lived there for 19 years before coming back to the UK on a temporary work assignment. My assignment is almost up so we’re moving back to the US in July and I’m honestly dreading it. The UK isn’t perfect by any means but the US seems like a very scary place right now.


I honestly don’t think we quite have the concept of how big the US is from at home in the motherland. If you think of states like countries it’s like saying I’m glad I never moved to Europe when something bad happens in a village in Slovakia. Granted people don’t really go around shooting up public places every few days in Europe but a lot of America is just as boring and liveable as anywhere in the UK.


This is definitely true, and it’s poised to become a lot more true with Roe being overturned. There’ll be even bigger differences between the states now that they get to choose where they stand on womens’ rights. Expect more migration to liberal states.


Agreed! I grew up in a US army family and we were raised to believe that we really were the saviors of the world. And then I got into reading world history. Sure, we helped, but we certainly aren't any saviors.


As a recent expat from America, I totally agree with you. Gun violence is one of the main reasons we moved away.


I've lived for a time on both coasts of the US back in the early 20s. I doubt I'll even return, even for a holiday.


I’ve lived in 4 continents and went to university in USA. I would happily go back to explore more parts of the USA but as a tourist. Never ever would live there. Proud to be European.


And I absolutely applaud you for being willing to go back to explore it further. For myself, I did a fair bit of exploring myself during my time there. And now I'm more than happy to devote my remaining travels to other places.


Friend of mine used to live in Johannesburg, I asked one day what made him come to the drizzly wet UK? "We had our third carjacking in a week and I just got scared for my daughters". Despite everything, we're not too bad off over here (I'm fully aware we are FAR from "doing great").


America is a truly fucked up nation. We got a lot of problems, but I sure feel lucky to be Canadian today.


Not one of my American friends wants to go back. They like our NHS, our green countryside and the fact that they can drop their children off at school with a good chance of them still being alive to be picked up.


I visited the UK for the first time in 2017. I dream of moving there some day.