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TheRealCheapY

okay yeah but what is that ace attorney ass hammer looking item above brimstone (and theres options) and below vengeful spirit


ArthurTheLance

Modded item


Toybasher

Whats the name of the item?


ArthurTheLance

No clue


Doeniel

WE'VE GOT YOU SURROUNDED GET YOUR BREATH OF LIFE ON DEPTHS 1


Lumen234

I HATE THE ANGEL ROOM! I HATE THE ANGEL ROOM! I HATE THE ANGEL ROOM!


SomaGato

Bruh yeah this is the reason why I still value Devil Deals regardless. Imagine not picking up a potential Brimstone or Incubus or both just for breath of life, or just five fucking eternal hearts ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907) At least with Devil Deals you can get them very early on, pick multiple deals in case one of them sucks ass. You mostly got 1 choice with Angel Deals.


BiteEatRepeat_

I always get too greedy in devil deals lmao, i go angel whenever i can i feel safer.


Bcoonen

It's not that devil deals are bad. Sacrificing healh is the main issue 4 me. Later floors are more difficult like alt path/sheol/dark room and i take damage. And it really depends on tue character. Today i had to Beast tainted ??? And i never even looked at devil deals. Health way too low to even think about it.


electropeaisopea

As soul heart characters who aren't regular ??? I can understand not going for devil deals since for them prices are tripled, but for most red heart characters one or two heart canisters isn't that much, Isaac gives you so many opportunities to get them with boss rooms, eternal hearts, beggars, the list goes on to the point where I'd honestly take basic upgrades like pentagram if I had 2 or even a red heart to spare depending on how many soul hearts I have.


tuberemulator

If you play well, going devil deals is always better. Issue is, in this shitty game, if you play better, the game also finds a way to throw more bullshit at you. So i usually go to the first angel deal that's guarranteed and then take whatever. I think they are about equal now.


SeichoSeicho

Angel rooms mfs when they get dead sea scrolls in they're first angel room on womb 2 ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)


Argo303

Skill solution


Few_Acanthaceae1568

(never gets a decent item in all the devil rooms later) (Dies in depths 2)


Muntaacas

not that you would see any angel rooms before dephts 2


Few_Acanthaceae1568

Bomb a shopkeeper and a beggar on caves 2 simple!


GelatinouslyAdequate

They're guaranteed Depths 1, actually


GelatinouslyAdequate

The title is exactly how it sounds like to me whenever someone talks about angels being better; Devil is bad, bad, bad. Not worth it! Never gives anything! If you don't understand how it feels, imagine being told constantly the way you play is objectively bad and doesn't give enough even though you literally win *because* of it, **all the time**. The issue is people saying "XYZ" isn't worth the health when health as a currency is *so* subjective anyways. The pool isn't bloated, everyone is just stingy. There's people who sink hard into IV machines or sac rooms, others don't even bother. I don't get how so many people are incapable of seeing Devil the same, like hallowed ground, health is only as useful as you get hit.


cancerfanbase

Oh yes, you get one good devil deal so that means all devil deals are perfect, what a brain you have! Goodjob on your brother bobby run


SomaGato

Yoooo Conjoined ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)


GelatinouslyAdequate

You're doing exactly what the title satirizes and saying devil deals are not worth it across the board because of bad luck People can literally say the same about angel deals. No, them being free doesn't always make up for it. A Depths 1 Duality is not going to help me, The Body won't, neither will The Mind, Guardian Angel, Jar of Wisps, or Dead Sea Scrolls. But it's still worth going for them.


Caust1cCobra

Crazy concept here: if the devil items are bad... don't take them.


lesstalk_

Ok... but isn't that his point? They underperform and aren't worth taking over angel deals. Even just *entering* the first devil room decreases your angel chances. Devil Rooms have too many items that aren't worth taking. The only truly disappointing items I can see in Angel Rooms are Breath of Life and The Bible.


GelatinouslyAdequate

>Even just entering the first devil room decreases your angel chances. ...And? Your second deal is 50/50 devil or angel, what's the issue? You get a second deal when you'll have more health to spend on them or you get your first angel deal which isn't guaranteed to be good either. >Devil Rooms have too many items that aren't worth taking This is extremely subjective because it depends on how you value your health. Just because you don't value X item as worth your hearts doesn't mean others can't, and it doesn't prevent them from winning.


cancerfanbase

another crazy concept: Dont divide your Angel room Chance and get a easy Sacred Heart


Caust1cCobra

Angel deals are, on average, better than devil deals. However, I don't find it worth it to avoid devil deals entirely just for the chance to get a better item. After all, there are still plenty of bad angel items, and plenty of good devil items. You might've just turned down brimstone so you could guarantee breath of life, but you'll never know.


cancerfanbase

Can you tell me 10 bad angel room item? I can tell you 30 bad devil room item.


nzm3883

Breath of Life,Celtic Cross,Dead Sea Scrolls,Delirium 1,Delirium 2,Duality,Hallowed Ground, Vade Retro, Immaculate conception,Monstrance,Soul locket,The Bible,Stigmata,The Halo Spear of destiny.


Linguini_gang

Bible, breath of life, 7 seals, guardian angel, holy water, circle of protection, immaculate conception, spear of destiny, sworn protector, lil delirium Not the burn you think it is tbh


cancerfanbase

>Bible This is a special item for me, i got R key from Secret room with this item.. IT can be helpful in some situations. Not that bad imo >Breath Of Life I agree, it sucks >7 Seals Are you sure you used this item? I think it is pretty good, at least the wisps are doing damage and can be good for AOE damage, the only problem is War's wisps can damage you, but thats skill issue >Holy Water Really? Have you used this item on Boss? They melt so fast, just do not immediately reset and use this item, give a chance. >Circle of protection You guys like Psy Fly, then you should like this one too. I agree it doesnt block all attacks, but it actually helps you in lots of bullethell section. >Immaculate Conception It sucks. >spear of destiny It can be helpful in some cases, but yeah sucks. >Sworn Protector I think you are confused, this is one of the best familiars imo. Blocks shots, can spawn eternal heart, gives lots of damage etc.. and lil delirium sucks.


lesstalk_

A lot of angel room layouts have mutually exclusive choice pedestals which makes this a bit more of a moot point. > Holy Water This item is absolutely fantastic now, I think you're unaware of the buffs it got. > Immaculate Conception Gives you aforementioned Holy Water, The Relic which results in even more soul hearts, and a soul heart every time it procs? > Spear of Destiny, Breath of Life These ones are bad.


GelatinouslyAdequate

>7 seals, holy water, spear of destiny I agree people overlook actually bad angel items...but these aren't it. 7 Seals: great damage, less chance of accidental dmg in Rep, would be good anyways because of the help it brings. Holy Water is a well-known buffed item. It shreds and petrifies anything that isn't petrified. Spear of Destiny is also good damage vs. most things


Saigot

Other than the first devil deal there is no downside to looking. And a lot of the time you can get soul hearts, free red chest items, lump of coal etc. And then with a solid chunk of the cast devil deals are preferred (tjacob, both losts, eve, Laz, both keepers), and then items like coupon or Mr. meseek that make devil items great.


cancerfanbase

I meant first devil room with "dont divide your angel room chance", but yeah there are no downside, a lump of coal can be pretty good.


GelatinouslyAdequate

> Dont divide your Angel room Chance You know halving your chance doesn't mean you can't still get one. You can also increase it still by donating 10 coins. > and get a easy Sacred Heart You're not guaranteed a good angel item like you're not guaranteed a good devil item, this is just bad logic. No reason not to check the first.


lesstalk_

Devil Deals are generally not worth it. Too many room layouts without any sale pedestals (or only 1 pedestal, *sometimes* 2), and the item pool is too bloated with questionable or near-useless items. And of course, Krampus. Then even if you do get a good pedestal like Brimstone, they still cost health. And mind you, the chances of getting Brimstone on a pedestal is close to 1%.


GelatinouslyAdequate

>Too many room layouts without any sale pedestal These are literally all the rarest ones?? This isn't Rep release, they're not that common. You will see more devil items on average, and you can take multiple. > item pool is too bloated with questionable or near-useless items Extremely subjective still, especially when 'questionable' items imply you can get actual use out of them. >chances of getting Brimstone on a pedestal is close to 1% There's other good items besides Brimstone. A lot of them cheaper.


nzm3883

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