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Tf2Trader_3000

At this point every opinion is controversial


Darkmega5

Too true


Th3_BugBomb

Its been controversial from the start. I find all of the items good no matter what and sight of them just sends adrenaline through my nervous system


dioclias

I think we all agree that Sacred Heart is better than Godhead, so Godhead leaving is logical


splvtoon

better, sure, but i find godhead to be way more fun personally.


Charming_Spinach_463

Idk. Godhead has more fun synergies, like extra DoT with stuff like sinus infection and murcomycosis.


Dylan96

Someone explain to me how tech x is better than r key


Scrooloose1

fun laser circle vs boring 2hr run item


Obsole7e

I didn't think this was about what's objectively the best is it? Thought it was just what people like.


SeparatePicture4631

That's exactly what this is about. It's not "what is the best item", it is "what item do you enjoy the most"


noopenusernames

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franketou

plot twist: this is actually edmund and whatever item wins the last round gets nerfed in the next update


BleghMeisterer

Huh, I thought R key would be the winner. It's the only item other than the clicker that allows you to cheese and get extra marks


Strangegary

Yea but it loses a lot of fun once you have all mark, meanwhile I'm always happy to see every other one on the list!


FrancSensei

yeah, with full marks it's basically just a victory lap for the other routes


Dejmonero

And get two runs worth of items


RunMeOverIRL

Kinda like a better version of Flip... Wait, why is Flip still on here?


HypnoMonkey109

Cuz it's amazing? You get the benefits of Damocles for pre-existing item pedestals with no downsides.


RunMeOverIRL

Yeah, but it's still got a weaker effect than R Key in the end. Flip is amazing, I don't think anyone is denying that, but it would have been gone 3 rounds ago if it were solely my choice.


HypnoMonkey109

Yeah, that's fair. I personally would vote for R Key before Flip, simply because I find Flip a lot more fun to use, R Key runs tend to get kinda boring imo.


Eprico47

R key was voted out because people find it boring, not for how good it is. Personally R key would have made top 5 for me but it was voted out because people don't find it as fun as flip. That doesn't mean Flip needs to go out though, two wrongs don't make a right. Flip still deserves at least top 10


CN456

I sometimes call the R key the "auto-win button" because its basically an extra 6 floors worth of treasure rooms, boss rewards and shops at the cost of...having to redo the first handful of floors while you're likely already armed and ready to take on moms heart? Sign me the fuck up! I can't remember a single run where I've gotten the precious R key and *havent* ended up with a shiny new completion mark. (Or at least beaten an end boss I already killed.) I do kind of see why it would get lose in this elimination game though. Unless you have the schoolbag, the R key forces you to leave your active item behind since it does take up the active item slot, which can suck massively if you have the d6 or something. Also I can see where some people (far better players than me) are coming from when they say the R key just becomes more of a time waster at the higher echelons of skill in this game. I'm a total shitter at TBOI tho, so the auto win button always gets me hyped when I see it.


Darkraiders

The issue with R key is that once you have all marks, there's really little use for that item, unless you want to start a broken run for fun.


Periachi

It's pretty boring though


WwwWario

ROUND 27 Poll: [https://strawpoll.com/polls/NPgxk24mPn2](https://strawpoll.com/polls/NPgxk24mPn2) R Key is an item I believe I've found twice in Repentance, and both times were tons of fun for me, mostly because I had lots of completion marks left to do. The feeling of stacking up as much as you possibly can, go down one path and get your marks, hit R key and bring EVERYTHING back to the start in the hopes to take down a stronger boss (Like Beast or Mega Satan) is really satisfying. Of course, after all completion marks are achieved, it loses some of its fun value. Round 1: Bag of Crafting Round 2: Void Round 3: Abyss Round 4: Epic Fetus Round 5: Proptosis Round 6: Infestation 2 Round 7: Dr. Fetus Round 8: Maw of the Void Round 9: Pyromaniac Round 10: Ipecac Round 11: Mega Blast Round 12: Satanic Bible Round 13: Binge Eater Round 14: 20/20 Round 15: Mom's Knife Round 16: Stop Watch Round 17: D6 Round 18: The Wafer Round 19: D Infinity Round 20: Mega Mush Round 21: Crown of Light Round 22: Cricket's Head Round 23: Polyphemus Round 24: Spindown Dice Round 25: Magic Mush Round 26: R Key


Crazy-Lich

I may be missing something since I didn't follow this from the start, but where is rock bottom?


WwwWario

Not a Quality 4 item :) I think it's Quality 3


Crazy-Lich

Holy hell, that's true. How did I never notice it. That's one of the most obscure isaac facts I'll probably ever know.


WwwWario

Haha, I acrually had no idea which items were Q4 until I made this :D


Crazy-Lich

Crazy, man. Although I'd say the best quality 4 item is death certificate. Smart choice removing it from the poll.


WwwWario

Yep, I removed it because, since many people's favorite item means the most powerful item, Death Certificate would be a clear winner as it, well, can be any item :) So I removed it for that reason Mom's Shovel pieces are also Q4, but I look at those more as quest items


Crazy-Lich

Ironically I was just reading about Moms Shovel on isaac wiki. Isaac lore is truly fascinating.


WwwWario

Indeed!


Sea-Entertainment-83

I really don't understand why they are quality 4, other story items have very low quality, and actually i don't understand why they even need to have it since no quality based item affects them in any way


AntekPawlak

it was quality 2 before being quality 3


deDoohd

Yea, 2 updates ago it even was Q2. Q3 is where it belongs, imo. Q4 items to me mean that they are good in any situation and are able to carry your runs. Rock Bottom can do that but it can also do absolutely nothing. I had 2 runs so far where it didn't help me at all sadly.


wunxorple

I think it’s incredibly good for a tier 3 item. Honestly, Rock Bottom being Q2 seemed intentional because it would lead to it maybe being rerolled more often. I thought that was the plan from the beginning but I guess not


QuintonTheCanadian

Google en passant


Robjedr0bje

Holy hell


DJRY

You would think it’d be a Quality 4 item with how powerful it can be same goes for Echo Chamber


WwwWario

Yep absolutely


brawlganronper

Serpents kiss was q3 once


Snailsnip

pre nerf serpent's kiss was amazing. I'd rather take those infinite black hearts and poison than infestation 2.


brawlganronper

I meat q4


Coming_Second

The fact Serpent's Kiss doesn't sync with E-coli to produce poison poop continues to bother me.


ButterAndToastia

Glitched crown best item. Its how you get all the quality 4s


NoahHoi365

Compared to whats left, I really think tech x is the weakest one


KylieTMS

True... but it's a really fun item. Even though Psy fly is amazing it's way less fun. (Though it is funny to see the lil fellow zoom around the Mega Satan arena)


Snailsnip

Idk, I like zooming around the arena and never getting hit. It feels like being invincible, it's nice.


Kazhaar

Sure but it's fun and the poll is about your favorite, not the strongest quality 4


jks_david

Compared to items already vited out tech X is one of the weakest.


Axel-Adams

I dunno I find revelation while often powerful, equally as often awkward to use


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realspitfire69

soymilk


MindlessScrambler

>I'd struggle to think of a scenario where I would prefer godhead over tech X Like, maybe Apollyon voided many items and got a shitload of shot speed up.


Ceres73

Doesn't shot speed up also ruin godhead?


hemburjers

not as badly as tech x


yrulaughing

Tech X is absolutely a better item than PsyFly imo EDIT: Psyfly doesn't do shit to melee enemies, enemies that shoot brimstone, explosions, creep, lasers, poison, spikes, etc. Tech X is good against any enemy in the game, Psyfly only helps against a portion of them.


QuintonTheCanadian

Lil dumpy > psy fly? 😳


local-imp

I’m betting that Holy Mantle is going to win. It’s super useful for challenge characters!


Rrandrei

we live in a society where tech x and flip lasted more than r key


snowflakelord

Don't you know? Flip is broken and OP and literally the best item in the game, according to this sub at least. I love Tech X though just because I think it's good and has some cool synergies.


Ena_Ems_17

If bag of crafting is out then flip should be out to. The suck on their normal characters but are good everywhere else


Karamasan

Bag of Crafting is way more random and inconsistent, Flip is essentially Damocles with no bad side, not saying it's anywhere near the top mind you, it's probably the one that goes the next round, but Flip is better compared to something like Sacred Orb, you get more chances to break the game


Ena_Ems_17

Naaah sacred orb is so fucking good


KylieTMS

You never notice how good sacred orb is until you start your next run without sacred orb and complain how bad your luck is all of a sudden with these shit items


Karamasan

I worded it weirdly but I didn't mean Flip was better than sacred orb, but that it was more fair to compare it to that than bag of Crafting


DJRY

I mean not no Downsides you have to have it take up your active Slot but I’m sure that’s a menial downside.


BurnieBurnsIsBurning

Guy posted a circlejerk-tier question on askreddit and then just quit the fucking site lol


engispyro

Incubus, everything else offers either better DPS or better utility


Tasty_Tidepod

Twisted pair is superior


splvtoon

twisted pair supremacy tbh


Markster94

Incubus is my favorite on this list for no other reason than that its cute. Twisted pair comes second


Simply-Zen

Brimstone deserves to win just for the nostalgia, it carried runs since flash isaac and is still an amazing item


nightfuryfan

Even if it's weaker in Repentance I still get such a dopamine rush when I see it, lol


Hour-Needleworker-21

Man when I got Brimstone as the first devil deal item in my Lost run that got delirium's mark, I knew it was The Run^(TM).


TemSquad

can't believe we're being forced to go tech x instead of psy fly or holy mantle


DaddyCool13

Based off mentions, those two seem to be the next in line to go after tech x


TereorNox

I'd go for incubus even now. It's a slightly better 20/20, and that was voted out ages ago


scamp41

Incubus is a better 20/20 and a worse Twisted Pair. We don't need both still


GrubberflysElegy

But they’re fucking adorable and that’s what counts


Hamacek

gonna start going for revelation now, very good, but if you get any charged tear,it becomes useless


mervnoob97

I must agree with you. Revelation with charge tears is horrendous. But it's still overall better than tech x & holy mantle imo.


Alduin-Bane-Of-Kings

But if you get polyphemus or eve's mascara the charge time still doesn't change. It also gets most of brimstone's synergies. And gives flight. And two so hearts. Revelation is better than brimstone


Hamacek

Brimstone is better simply on the account of it being brimstone, no other item will ever be cooler.


Alduin-Bane-Of-Kings

Idk I really like the holy light aesthetic. Revelation is my favorite item


Nekopire

Finallyyyyy ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|4358)


SuperCoenBros

Revelation is like Maw of the Void, Brimstone, and Spirit of the Night, all Frankensteined together to make a very boring defensive item. It can save low tear runs, but Maw of the Void encourages a more aggressive, up close play style. Revelation basically encourages camping on rocks, firing useless tears to charge the laser. Revelation is great for basically propping up weaker builds, but not actually enhancing them in interesting ways. If you find it on a strong build, it's always a "shrug and take it" moment.


xXConDaGXx

My issue with revelation is that yeah, it’s great, but it ruins some items. If you have anything that charges and it charges fast, you basically have to wait an extra second to let it off if you want revelations to proc. It’s a good item, I’ve just had a lot of cases where it does almost nothing for me because I do more damage firing off quick shots than waiting for it to charge.


thebanished04

It's a single player game dude. What do you care if people play it safe on rocks and such?


i_Bug

Imma vote revelation simply because it's not as fun as the others


Skymoogle

Again I cannot believe Flip still survived. It's not that good of an item. Under the right circumstances sure it can be game-breaking, but that's everything. So much need to go right to get Flip to work in your advantage and I think people gloss over that too quickly, because "Omg, two items!"


IPlayDokk4n

Aight no that's it Get Tech X the fuck outta here Compared to everything left that shit is a glorified Quality 3 item


ammarbadhrul

Dude tech x is practically a run winner


GoldenTealeaf

And all the other items still left aren’t?


Dangerousreaper

Incubus and Twisted Pair are definitely not run winners by themselves. That being said if we were going off of run winners then Fetus’, Knife, and Mega Mush would still be around so it’s not really even a good criteria.


ammarbadhrul

They are, but calling tech x "glorified tier 3" angers me lol


GoldenTealeaf

Fair enough, it does have some pretty fun synergies


Besiks

Psy fly and Holy mantle on it self are not run winning items


splvtoon

so is moms knife, and it got yeeted a lot of rounds ago (unfairly so, imo!)


mattismyo

'cause we all know, sacred heart will win this


Sevatar34

C-section be a loot cooler tho


s_k_f

I really hope not tbh


DJRY

You Misspelled Brimstone


mattismyo

I don’t think so


The10thdoctor24

I’d take Tech X over Brim any day


InterestingMail8766

Tech x is a q4 for a reason THINK Isaac THINK


Gamerguywon

I feel a bunch of people haven't played isaac in a while and they're thinking of tech x before it was nerfed.


maddoggaylo

Tech x for the win


nzm3883

No


DingDongDideliDanger

I would take Tech X over Sacred Heart in most runs


Potential-Badger8664

insane


pokemasterfox

In the spirit of 'the community just votes whatever they're feeling that day', can we get Brimstone 13th place? Just because why the hell not?


Spiritual_Falcon_694

F for R key Btw, where is the death certificate? Isn't it tier 4 item?


Eprico47

It is but was left out since it's obviously the best item in the game so there's no point in having it in the poll


datdragonfruittho

God Head more like Mid Head, literally just a worse Sacred Heart


Xenosilver_

Flip needs to go


captnbass

Ok but why is revelation still here


[deleted]

Holy Mantle is cool and all, but I would pick almost any other item on this list over it ..Unless I'm The Lost, of course (makes no sense anyway since Lost starts with mantle already)


Sea-Entertainment-83

Godhead


lore_mila_

Missed the opportunity to say R in the chat


lore_mila_

Tech X now because it sucks after nerf, then flip Because it's basically R Key


epicjimmyneutron

and now flip gets outed because people don't how how it works ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)


NexuActD

Holy mantle is worst than r key change my mind


Brody_M_the_birdy

Where next round


0err0r

vote for psyfly or ill show up in your runs


Blue_Squid420

Fren ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8906)


Ena_Ems_17

We call him Fernando lol


EnderDremurr

psy fly is way better than holy mantle


Akkeyem

Holy mantle means free curse rooms tho, something that's risky to take for characters like keeper, judas or any character without red hearts or flight. I like holy mantle a lot more because it allows me to easily keep perfection too.


EnderDremurr

psy fly saves you from being skill issued and holy mantle just gives 1 hit


TheRoyalSniper

psy fly doesn't save you from everything, holy mantle does


hemburjers

psy fly can just bully any endgame boss that relies on projectiles, holy mantle is free curse rooms, spiked chests and allows you to not worry about getting completely bullshitted in normal rooms. theyre both good but it just depends. i like psy fly a bit more tbh because its funny during hush or mega satan


GodottheDoggo

Most of the danger you take in a run is in the bosses, and uh oh, most of them are bullet hells that Psy Fly can block. You might even be able to argue that you can be even more offensive because of Psy Fly. Holy Mantle gives you the equivalent of one heart. I mean, Mantle is obviously still really good for maintaining health obviously, but I feel like Psy Fly is a clear winner here


weberm70

> Most of the danger you take in a run is in the bosses That is debatable to say the least. And entering a boss fight at max health because holy mantle meant you didn’t take a hit for the last six floors means you can probably eat the hits from the boss anyway.


weberm70

Their effect on effective health is about equivalent but holy mantle has utility outside of just avoiding enemy damage. Psy fly gets worse as skill improves but holy mantle (and wafer) stay useful.


DogeLV69

I'm still voting flip. Yeah yeah I know double the items/free items and stuff, but the chance that you'll actually use it in later floors is really low.


snowflakelord

Careful saying stuff like that, this sub looks down on negative opinions on Flip. You must say you love it, or else...


DogeLV69

I do love the item, it just becomes useless in later floors from the lack of items


snowflakelord

Yeah that makes sense. But I guess the same counts for Glitched Crown then, right?


Ena_Ems_17

Glitches crown is fucking amazing in any floor before mom but after that you already have a pretty good run


DogeLV69

If I remember correctly, glitched crown works on chests too, so I'm not entirely sure. but you can say it's kind of similar to it


snowflakelord

You could be right actually, I’d say if Glitched Crown works on chests it’s probably a tad bit better. The only “issue” is timing it correctly but I’ve heard you can use the pause menu to sort of manipulate it


Quetas83

You kinda memorize the pattern and go for it when it's on the previous item of the item you want


maddoggaylo

Get the tech x hate out of here. Best item in the game.


pelz_

ahahaha nice nice, just wanted r key to go down, i like all these items so i don't mind whatever ends up winning (well except flip xd)


Lollogurro

If flip wins we're gonna do a party on this subreddit,spam the hashtag #FlipBestItemInTheGame and don't forget to create a new religion...FLIP RELIGION


DinoRidersForReal

Do we want a good item to win, or an item that gives us good items? We're getting into the philosophical pretty soon.


Parking-Ad5406

What about godhead? I feel like ever since they made it no longer scale with your damage it's just a lot weaker unless you have something like soy milk


MKGSonic123

I mean 30 dps is 30 dps ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)


Altruistic_Source528

It now synergise better with attackspeed and ks a better early items overall. Definitly not a nerf to me, more like a rework. Way better in bad run, but don't scale so much in most high damage runs. But hey, with soymilk, or any big tear rate (neptunus/brittlle bones...) It scale better than ever. Still too tier. And also very fun


Frequent_Knowledge65

If you have high damage you’ve already won the run


DaddyCool13

Godhead is now worse than sacred heart for sure, but still better than many of the items left. *Especiallly* tech x


nightfuryfan

I mean, Godhead can carry the hell out of low damage runs...30 extra DPS per tear is nothing to scoff at. And if your damage is high you're probably good anyway, but it's still a nice upgrade


Altruistic_Source528

Just realizing infestation 2 is Q4, but haemolacria or spirit sword isn't.


Ligma_bols

the fact that haemolarcia is q2 pains me


Altruistic_Source528

Wtf i thought it was at least Q3


Hour-Needleworker-21

No it's still quality 3. For me it falls somewhere between quality 3 and 4. Quality 3.5 if you will.


Altruistic_Source528

Hard to say. Haemolacria is for me better than infestation 2 in most case, but infestation is still Q4. I guess it's not that important anyway. Low tier Q4 and high tier Q3 (jacob's ladder for example) are kinda similar


hemburjers

honestly it feels like infestation 2 is q4 just so it can be funny since infestation is q0


hemburjers

its q3?


AnAverageTransGirl

how is flip still here


Lollogurro

Because it's better than many other items in q4?


AnAverageTransGirl

debatable


bedpissergaming

voting tech x because of that weird ass damage scaling with tears and for no other reason (i think its a very strong item that specific mechanic just makes no sense to me


crappy_migel

Now it is glitch crown


TheRoyalSniper

Honestly I hate using glitched crown despite how good it is


DJRY

It does take a bit of practice to use I will Admit


Steve_En

No.


crappy_migel

Yes


s_k_f

Voting sacred heart even tho i'll probably be the only one. It's sure as hell good but way too boring comparing to the rest of the items


Severedpumpkinhead

BRIMMYBOY GOTTA GO


pakrat

For me it's Glitched Crown. It's a phenomenal item but it can sometimes be a pain to get the timing right and it can easily breakfast your game.


always_molasses

Glitched crown, cmon...


Steve_En

No.


Firdle

I am happy to see that FLip was not as underrated as some other items but it really is time.


GrubberflysElegy

i hope one of the cool ones win. Like, i dont want the usual OP things to win like brimstone or sacred heart or godhead, because we already know they're good. If one of those wins, it's gonna be really fucking pointless and boring. I would like: twisted pair, incubus or ps1 fly to win. please can we have one of the good ones and not a boring one win


Eddie_The_White_Bear

Sorry Tech X...


Frequent_Knowledge65

Wow I’ve been voting sacred orb for over a week. It’s great, but any item that gives you a chance of getting something good is inherently worse than an item that just is good.


Crocket_Lawnchair

you know what, YOU KNOW FUCKIN WHAT vote out godhead


Yasimear

Anyone who votes out glitched crown I have one thing to say to you. Get good.


The_dart_one

It's not that fun to use in my opinion


Yasimear

One of my favourite items. Every time I get it my run becomes so insanely broken.


Brody_M_the_birdy

The fact that you need to use an exploit at all to get what you want should explain why some people (including me) may vote it out.


Yasimear

Is it an exploit when it’s an item in the game?


Brody_M_the_birdy

The pause buffering is an exploit of the item.


Yasimear

Oh, wait what is that? I haven’t heard about that before. I usually just time it


Brody_M_the_birdy

Oh. That explains why we weren’t on the same page. The fact that MOST PEOPLE have to pause buffer the item they want hurts it in the long run.


Yasimear

OH that's fair. That's why I said "Get Good" In my initial comment but I guess they don't need to get good to use the item when they can just cheese it haha.


ToTeMVG

how the hell is tech X still there, its so overrated.


jks_david

How is TechX still in? I'd take over half of the already voted out items over TechX any chance I get.


Darkmega5

Gonna vote holy mantle because that one person had a based take on it. After that? I’ll feel kinda lost.


olakase321

If you are lost you may not want lose Holy mantle then


Darkmega5

Ha ha . *I’m voting you out next*![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)


Ok-Temperature-686

I am SURE that the winner will be sacred heart or brimstone but my favorite between these items is revelation, revelation saved me so much runs, when you don’t have any q4 item is absolutely the best thing : holy ray, flight and some soul hearts


BambooIGuess

If y'all gonna get rid of r key, get rid of flip as well


TheSoftCrow

FLIP


HarrisonWoollard

Bruh why is Tech X still here? It should of gone before Cricket’s Head


Awkward-Comment-7754

Brother in christ a flat damage up vs cool lasers