By - WwwWario
At this point every opinion is controversial
Its been controversial from the start. I find all of the items good no matter what and sight of them just sends adrenaline through my nervous system
I think we all agree that Sacred Heart is better than Godhead, so Godhead leaving is logical
better, sure, but i find godhead to be way more fun personally.
Idk. Godhead has more fun synergies, like extra DoT with stuff like sinus infection and murcomycosis.
Someone explain to me how tech x is better than r key
fun laser circle vs boring 2hr run item
I didn't think this was about what's objectively the best is it? Thought it was just what people like.
That's exactly what this is about. It's not "what is the best item", it is "what item do you enjoy the most"
plot twist: this is actually edmund and whatever item wins the last round gets nerfed in the next update
Huh, I thought R key would be the winner. It's the only item other than the clicker that allows you to cheese and get extra marks
Yea but it loses a lot of fun once you have all mark, meanwhile I'm always happy to see every other one on the list!
yeah, with full marks it's basically just a victory lap for the other routes
And get two runs worth of items
Kinda like a better version of Flip... Wait, why is Flip still on here?
Cuz it's amazing? You get the benefits of Damocles for pre-existing item pedestals with no downsides.
Yeah, but it's still got a weaker effect than R Key in the end. Flip is amazing, I don't think anyone is denying that, but it would have been gone 3 rounds ago if it were solely my choice.
Yeah, that's fair. I personally would vote for R Key before Flip, simply because I find Flip a lot more fun to use, R Key runs tend to get kinda boring imo.
R key was voted out because people find it boring, not for how good it is. Personally R key would have made top 5 for me but it was voted out because people don't find it as fun as flip. That doesn't mean Flip needs to go out though, two wrongs don't make a right. Flip still deserves at least top 10
I sometimes call the R key the "auto-win button" because its basically an extra 6 floors worth of treasure rooms, boss rewards and shops at the cost of...having to redo the first handful of floors while you're likely already armed and ready to take on moms heart? Sign me the fuck up! I can't remember a single run where I've gotten the precious R key and *havent* ended up with a shiny new completion mark. (Or at least beaten an end boss I already killed.)
I do kind of see why it would get lose in this elimination game though. Unless you have the schoolbag, the R key forces you to leave your active item behind since it does take up the active item slot, which can suck massively if you have the d6 or something. Also I can see where some people (far better players than me) are coming from when they say the R key just becomes more of a time waster at the higher echelons of skill in this game. I'm a total shitter at TBOI tho, so the auto win button always gets me hyped when I see it.
The issue with R key is that once you have all marks, there's really little use for that item, unless you want to start a broken run for fun.
It's pretty boring though
ROUND 27 Poll: [https://strawpoll.com/polls/NPgxk24mPn2](https://strawpoll.com/polls/NPgxk24mPn2)
R Key is an item I believe I've found twice in Repentance, and both times were tons of fun for me, mostly because I had lots of completion marks left to do. The feeling of stacking up as much as you possibly can, go down one path and get your marks, hit R key and bring EVERYTHING back to the start in the hopes to take down a stronger boss (Like Beast or Mega Satan) is really satisfying. Of course, after all completion marks are achieved, it loses some of its fun value.
Round 1: Bag of Crafting
Round 2: Void
Round 3: Abyss
Round 4: Epic Fetus
Round 5: Proptosis
Round 6: Infestation 2
Round 7: Dr. Fetus
Round 8: Maw of the Void
Round 9: Pyromaniac
Round 10: Ipecac
Round 11: Mega Blast
Round 12: Satanic Bible
Round 13: Binge Eater
Round 14: 20/20
Round 15: Mom's Knife
Round 16: Stop Watch
Round 17: D6
Round 18: The Wafer
Round 19: D Infinity
Round 20: Mega Mush
Round 21: Crown of Light
Round 22: Cricket's Head
Round 23: Polyphemus
Round 24: Spindown Dice
Round 25: Magic Mush
Round 26: R Key
I may be missing something since I didn't follow this from the start, but where is rock bottom?
Not a Quality 4 item :) I think it's Quality 3
Holy hell, that's true. How did I never notice it. That's one of the most obscure isaac facts I'll probably ever know.
Haha, I acrually had no idea which items were Q4 until I made this :D
Crazy, man. Although I'd say the best quality 4 item is death certificate. Smart choice removing it from the poll.
Yep, I removed it because, since many people's favorite item means the most powerful item, Death Certificate would be a clear winner as it, well, can be any item :) So I removed it for that reason
Mom's Shovel pieces are also Q4, but I look at those more as quest items
Ironically I was just reading about Moms Shovel on isaac wiki.
Isaac lore is truly fascinating.
I really don't understand why they are quality 4, other story items have very low quality, and actually i don't understand why they even need to have it since no quality based item affects them in any way
it was quality 2 before being quality 3
Yea, 2 updates ago it even was Q2. Q3 is where it belongs, imo. Q4 items to me mean that they are good in any situation and are able to carry your runs. Rock Bottom can do that but it can also do absolutely nothing. I had 2 runs so far where it didn't help me at all sadly.
I think it’s incredibly good for a tier 3 item. Honestly, Rock Bottom being Q2 seemed intentional because it would lead to it maybe being rerolled more often. I thought that was the plan from the beginning but I guess not
Google en passant
You would think it’d be a Quality 4 item with how powerful it can be same goes for Echo Chamber
Serpents kiss was q3 once
pre nerf serpent's kiss was amazing. I'd rather take those infinite black hearts and poison than infestation 2.
I meat q4
The fact Serpent's Kiss doesn't sync with E-coli to produce poison poop continues to bother me.
Glitched crown best item. Its how you get all the quality 4s
Compared to whats left, I really think tech x is the weakest one
True... but it's a really fun item. Even though Psy fly is amazing it's way less fun. (Though it is funny to see the lil fellow zoom around the Mega Satan arena)
Idk, I like zooming around the arena and never getting hit. It feels like being invincible, it's nice.
Sure but it's fun and the poll is about your favorite, not the strongest quality 4
Compared to items already vited out tech X is one of the weakest.
I dunno I find revelation while often powerful, equally as often awkward to use
>I'd struggle to think of a scenario where I would prefer godhead over tech X
Like, maybe Apollyon voided many items and got a shitload of shot speed up.
Doesn't shot speed up also ruin godhead?
not as badly as tech x
Tech X is absolutely a better item than PsyFly imo
EDIT: Psyfly doesn't do shit to melee enemies, enemies that shoot brimstone, explosions, creep, lasers, poison, spikes, etc. Tech X is good against any enemy in the game, Psyfly only helps against a portion of them.
Lil dumpy > psy fly? 😳
I’m betting that Holy Mantle is going to win. It’s super useful for challenge characters!
we live in a society where tech x and flip lasted more than r key
Don't you know? Flip is broken and OP and literally the best item in the game, according to this sub at least. I love Tech X though just because I think it's good and has some cool synergies.
If bag of crafting is out then flip should be out to. The suck on their normal characters but are good everywhere else
Bag of Crafting is way more random and inconsistent, Flip is essentially Damocles with no bad side, not saying it's anywhere near the top mind you, it's probably the one that goes the next round, but Flip is better compared to something like Sacred Orb, you get more chances to break the game
Naaah sacred orb is so fucking good
You never notice how good sacred orb is until you start your next run without sacred orb and complain how bad your luck is all of a sudden with these shit items
I worded it weirdly but I didn't mean Flip was better than sacred orb, but that it was more fair to compare it to that than bag of Crafting
I mean not no Downsides you have to have it take up your active Slot but I’m sure that’s a menial downside.
Guy posted a circlejerk-tier question on askreddit and then just quit the fucking site lol
Incubus, everything else offers either better DPS or better utility
Twisted pair is superior
twisted pair supremacy tbh
Incubus is my favorite on this list for no other reason than that its cute. Twisted pair comes second
Brimstone deserves to win just for the nostalgia, it carried runs since flash isaac and is still an amazing item
Even if it's weaker in Repentance I still get such a dopamine rush when I see it, lol
Man when I got Brimstone as the first devil deal item in my Lost run that got delirium's mark, I knew it was The Run^(TM).
can't believe we're being forced to go tech x instead of psy fly or holy mantle
Based off mentions, those two seem to be the next in line to go after tech x
I'd go for incubus even now. It's a slightly better 20/20, and that was voted out ages ago
Incubus is a better 20/20 and a worse Twisted Pair. We don't need both still
But they’re fucking adorable and that’s what counts
gonna start going for revelation now, very good, but if you get any charged tear,it becomes useless
I must agree with you. Revelation with charge tears is horrendous. But it's still overall better than tech x & holy mantle imo.
But if you get polyphemus or eve's mascara the charge time still doesn't change. It also gets most of brimstone's synergies. And gives flight. And two so hearts. Revelation is better than brimstone
Brimstone is better simply on the account of it being brimstone, no other item will ever be cooler.
Idk I really like the holy light aesthetic. Revelation is my favorite item
Revelation is like Maw of the Void, Brimstone, and Spirit of the Night, all Frankensteined together to make a very boring defensive item. It can save low tear runs, but Maw of the Void encourages a more aggressive, up close play style. Revelation basically encourages camping on rocks, firing useless tears to charge the laser.
Revelation is great for basically propping up weaker builds, but not actually enhancing them in interesting ways. If you find it on a strong build, it's always a "shrug and take it" moment.
My issue with revelation is that yeah, it’s great, but it ruins some items. If you have anything that charges and it charges fast, you basically have to wait an extra second to let it off if you want revelations to proc.
It’s a good item, I’ve just had a lot of cases where it does almost nothing for me because I do more damage firing off quick shots than waiting for it to charge.
It's a single player game dude. What do you care if people play it safe on rocks and such?
Imma vote revelation simply because it's not as fun as the others
Again I cannot believe Flip still survived. It's not that good of an item. Under the right circumstances sure it can be game-breaking, but that's everything. So much need to go right to get Flip to work in your advantage and I think people gloss over that too quickly, because "Omg, two items!"
Aight no that's it
Get Tech X the fuck outta here
Compared to everything left that shit is a glorified Quality 3 item
Dude tech x is practically a run winner
And all the other items still left aren’t?
Incubus and Twisted Pair are definitely not run winners by themselves. That being said if we were going off of run winners then Fetus’, Knife, and Mega Mush would still be around so it’s not really even a good criteria.
They are, but calling tech x "glorified tier 3" angers me lol
Fair enough, it does have some pretty fun synergies
Psy fly and Holy mantle on it self are not run winning items
so is moms knife, and it got yeeted a lot of rounds ago (unfairly so, imo!)
'cause we all know, sacred heart will win this
C-section be a loot cooler tho
I really hope not tbh
You Misspelled Brimstone
I don’t think so
I’d take Tech X over Brim any day
Tech x is a q4 for a reason THINK Isaac THINK
I feel a bunch of people haven't played isaac in a while and they're thinking of tech x before it was nerfed.
Tech x for the win
I would take Tech X over Sacred Heart in most runs
In the spirit of 'the community just votes whatever they're feeling that day', can we get Brimstone 13th place? Just because why the hell not?
F for R key
Btw, where is the death certificate? Isn't it tier 4 item?
It is but was left out since it's obviously the best item in the game so there's no point in having it in the poll
God Head more like Mid Head, literally just a worse Sacred Heart
Flip needs to go
Ok but why is revelation still here
Holy Mantle is cool and all, but I would pick almost any other item on this list over it
..Unless I'm The Lost, of course (makes no sense anyway since Lost starts with mantle already)
Missed the opportunity to say R in the chat
Tech X now because it sucks after nerf, then flip Because it's basically R Key
and now flip gets outed because people don't how how it works ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8907)
Holy mantle is worst than r key change my mind
Where next round
vote for psyfly or ill show up in your runs
We call him Fernando lol
psy fly is way better than holy mantle
Holy mantle means free curse rooms tho, something that's risky to take for characters like keeper, judas or any character without red hearts or flight. I like holy mantle a lot more because it allows me to easily keep perfection too.
psy fly saves you from being skill issued and holy mantle just gives 1 hit
psy fly doesn't save you from everything, holy mantle does
psy fly can just bully any endgame boss that relies on projectiles, holy mantle is free curse rooms, spiked chests and allows you to not worry about getting completely bullshitted in normal rooms. theyre both good but it just depends. i like psy fly a bit more tbh because its funny during hush or mega satan
Most of the danger you take in a run is in the bosses, and uh oh, most of them are bullet hells that Psy Fly can block. You might even be able to argue that you can be even more offensive because of Psy Fly. Holy Mantle gives you the equivalent of one heart. I mean, Mantle is obviously still really good for maintaining health obviously, but I feel like Psy Fly is a clear winner here
> Most of the danger you take in a run is in the bosses
That is debatable to say the least. And entering a boss fight at max health because holy mantle meant you didn’t take a hit for the last six floors means you can probably eat the hits from the boss anyway.
Their effect on effective health is about equivalent but holy mantle has utility outside of just avoiding enemy damage. Psy fly gets worse as skill improves but holy mantle (and wafer) stay useful.
I'm still voting flip.
Yeah yeah I know double the items/free items and stuff, but the chance that you'll actually use it in later floors is really low.
Careful saying stuff like that, this sub looks down on negative opinions on Flip. You must say you love it, or else...
I do love the item, it just becomes useless in later floors from the lack of items
Yeah that makes sense. But I guess the same counts for Glitched Crown then, right?
Glitches crown is fucking amazing in any floor before mom but after that you already have a pretty good run
If I remember correctly, glitched crown works on chests too, so I'm not entirely sure.
but you can say it's kind of similar to it
You could be right actually, I’d say if Glitched Crown works on chests it’s probably a tad bit better. The only “issue” is timing it correctly but I’ve heard you can use the pause menu to sort of manipulate it
You kinda memorize the pattern and go for it when it's on the previous item of the item you want
Get the tech x hate out of here. Best item in the game.
ahahaha nice nice, just wanted r key to go down, i like all these items so i don't mind whatever ends up winning (well except flip xd)
If flip wins we're gonna do a party on this subreddit,spam the hashtag #FlipBestItemInTheGame and don't forget to create a new religion...FLIP RELIGION
Do we want a good item to win, or an item that gives us good items?
We're getting into the philosophical pretty soon.
What about godhead? I feel like ever since they made it no longer scale with your damage it's just a lot weaker unless you have something like soy milk
I mean 30 dps is 30 dps ![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|2357)
It now synergise better with attackspeed and ks a better early items overall. Definitly not a nerf to me, more like a rework. Way better in bad run, but don't scale so much in most high damage runs.
But hey, with soymilk, or any big tear rate (neptunus/brittlle bones...) It scale better than ever.
Still too tier. And also very fun
If you have high damage you’ve already won the run
Godhead is now worse than sacred heart for sure, but still better than many of the items left. *Especiallly* tech x
I mean, Godhead can carry the hell out of low damage runs...30 extra DPS per tear is nothing to scoff at. And if your damage is high you're probably good anyway, but it's still a nice upgrade
Just realizing infestation 2 is Q4, but haemolacria or spirit sword isn't.
the fact that haemolarcia is q2 pains me
Wtf i thought it was at least Q3
No it's still quality 3. For me it falls somewhere between quality 3 and 4. Quality 3.5 if you will.
Hard to say. Haemolacria is for me better than infestation 2 in most case, but infestation is still Q4. I guess it's not that important anyway. Low tier Q4 and high tier Q3 (jacob's ladder for example) are kinda similar
honestly it feels like infestation 2 is q4 just so it can be funny since infestation is q0
how is flip still here
Because it's better than many other items in q4?
voting tech x because of that weird ass damage scaling with tears and for no other reason (i think its a very strong item that specific mechanic just makes no sense to me
Now it is glitch crown
Honestly I hate using glitched crown despite how good it is
It does take a bit of practice to use I will Admit
Voting sacred heart even tho i'll probably be the only one. It's sure as hell good but way too boring comparing to the rest of the items
BRIMMYBOY GOTTA GO
For me it's Glitched Crown. It's a phenomenal item but it can sometimes be a pain to get the timing right and it can easily breakfast your game.
Glitched crown, cmon...
I am happy to see that FLip was not as underrated as some other items but it really is time.
i hope one of the cool ones win. Like, i dont want the usual OP things to win like brimstone or sacred heart or godhead, because we already know they're good. If one of those wins, it's gonna be really fucking pointless and boring.
I would like: twisted pair, incubus or ps1 fly to win.
please can we have one of the good ones and not a boring one win
Sorry Tech X...
Wow I’ve been voting sacred orb for over a week. It’s great, but any item that gives you a chance of getting something good is inherently worse than an item that just is good.
you know what, YOU KNOW FUCKIN WHAT
vote out godhead
Anyone who votes out glitched crown I have one thing to say to you.
It's not that fun to use in my opinion
One of my favourite items. Every time I get it my run becomes so insanely broken.
The fact that you need to use an exploit at all to get what you want should explain why some people (including me) may vote it out.
Is it an exploit when it’s an item in the game?
The pause buffering is an exploit of the item.
Oh, wait what is that? I haven’t heard about that before. I usually just time it
Oh. That explains why we weren’t on the same page.
The fact that MOST PEOPLE have to pause buffer the item they want hurts it in the long run.
OH that's fair. That's why I said "Get Good" In my initial comment but I guess they don't need to get good to use the item when they can just cheese it haha.
how the hell is tech X still there, its so overrated.
How is TechX still in? I'd take over half of the already voted out items over TechX any chance I get.
Gonna vote holy mantle because that one person had a based take on it. After that? I’ll feel kinda lost.
If you are lost you may not want lose Holy mantle then
Ha ha . *I’m voting you out next*![img](emote|t5_2sxpk|8908)
I am SURE that the winner will be sacred heart or brimstone but my favorite between these items is revelation, revelation saved me so much runs, when you don’t have any q4 item is absolutely the best thing : holy ray, flight and some soul hearts
If y'all gonna get rid of r key, get rid of flip as well
Bruh why is Tech X still here? It should of gone before Cricket’s Head
Brother in christ a flat damage up vs cool lasers