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Teensge Boys, Young Men Disproportionately Behind Rise in Hate Crimes Across Canada

Teensge Boys, Young Men Disproportionately Behind Rise in Hate Crimes Across Canada

hedgehog_dragon

Honestly, I've been seeing my friends get pissed off at really strange things. It's like they feel like they're under attack. It... Worries me, honestly. Any time racial issues come up they seem to think there's too much attention on it? I don't know.


kalakun

Yea... an old "buddy" to put it loosely from my gym is now just a guy at my gym to me. He's turned "based red-pill" into his identity to rationalize his racist viewpoints.


Mesadeath

I find it hilarious how they use the term red pilled considering what the red pill references and the author of the Matrix herself.


MetanoiaYQR

Or indeed her sister.


jokerTHEIF

If I'm being honest, I see a lot of this sort of radicalized behavior in myself but going the other way if that makes sense. Like I feel irrational anger and a lot of hopelessness and I'm getting fed echo chamber-y content that validates my feelings. The difference is that it's not from the alt-right... It's against the alt right/conservatives. I'm at a point where I no longer respect anyone who identifies as conservative, I refuse to argue with them in good faith. The second someone tells me they're conservative or brings up a right wing talking point I instantly hate them, to an alarming degree even though I know nothing else about them. It's not healthy in either direction, and even though I recognize it happening to myself it's shockingly difficult to prevent these feelings from occurring. A number of times I've had to actively disengage and ignore anti maskers on transit in order to prevent myself from reacting with violence is concerning.


dsac

while true, it's not like the news is full of left-wing extremists committing crimes and considering the news in Canada and US is mostly right-wing, you'd think if it was happening, they wouldn't shut up about it...


Riaayo

> and considering the news in Canada and US is mostly right-wing, you'd think if it was happening, they wouldn't shut up about it... As an American I assure you they don't shut up about entirely made up criminality on the left. BLM, Antifa, both get demonized to hell and back and talked about like they're the fucking SS. I understand OP's desire to not want to be in a mindset where they just despise a political group of people, but like... would they feel that way back in WWII? I mean I of course believe plenty of Germans *weren't* monsters and got taken along for the ride, but at some point when do we realize that some people have absolutely left civility of their own accord, and their "opinions" are not engaged in in good faith and thus can't be treated as an equal part of a society's attempt at discussion and democracy? I personally care about the underlying societal issues that *actually* cause these people to be easy marks for propaganda and radicalized. Starvation wages, a cruel healthcare system, a society where they can't afford a home, job insecurity, unattainable education or massive debt to get a crumb of it. This stuff is eroding society. My diagnosis of 2016 in the US was we reached a point where things were so bad people couldn't ignore it, but not everyone understood *why* things were so bad. And that's a recipe for scapegoating and pretty little convenient lies that stroke your hair, tell you what you want to hear, and lead to you punching down at your fellow working class allies rather than coming together against the ruling class fucking us all. So I want these people to have good jobs. To have healthcare, homes, and dignity. But I absolutely don't respect their idea that we need to be cruel to immigrants or people of color or prop up authoritarian strong men to crush anyone whose lifestyle they dislike, all because their understandable fears and anger have been co-opted and radicalized. And this headline is a story as old as time. I often repeat the notion that there's nothing more dangerous than a dude who hasn't gotten laid. While partially a joke, the reality is disheartened young men - whether it be economic or a lack of a partner/stable social life, etc - have been the easy target for radicalization and extremism for probably all of human history.


Bradasaur

Well said!


jokerTHEIF

Oh for sure, I'm not saying that we should be ignoring the threat of right wing extremism by any means. It's insanely dangerous. I'm just saying the left isn't immune to it and the young men being radicalized by the right very likely don't want to be, they just feel trapped and isolated and unfortunately the community they found is exploiting them in a terrible way. There are no easy answers, and the point I was trying to make is that even if you are well educated and aware of the tactics being used it's not always easy to prevent those tactics form working on you.


alice-in-canada-land

Natalie Wynn makes a similar point on an episode Contrapoints; that she's credited with deradicalizing young men, but that really she's just redirected their focus, not lessened their vehemence. I'll have to try to find the episode; it's from a year or two ago...


SnooPoems3107

Being biased is not a fault, it's a goal. There's a formative part of growing up where we learn what we won't tolerate. Right wing ideology is typically about maintaining the status quo, and left wing ideology rejects it. The crisis of conscience you're experiencing (it's not "healthy" to use anger and intolerance against ideas I don't agree with) is precisely because left wing change-making is usually done through dialogue, agreement, and inclusion. If there's disagreement it's handled through compromise and placation. You have every right to be enraged every damn day because inequity and suffering grow exponentially but we try to mediate it gradually with folks that are hateful, intolerant, and disinterested in compromise or critique.


readingsockss

Oh wow, so well put. I didn't realize this about myself until reading this.


Danviers

There is nothing wrong with being intolerant of intolerance. We in the west have tolerated blatantly racist and classist nonsense because our family and friends hold those values and pushing back against their bullshit is not radical, its humanistic.


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Danviers

If those views are bigoted and intolerant, then no it is not good to have them in your life. If you cant convert them to being humane and inclusive of our fellow humans, then cutting them is an acceptable alternative. Plenty of conservatives hide behind politics as a justification for holding disgusting views. I would go so far as to argue that political parties that have or continue to propagate antinative and antiimmigrant sentiments belong in the dust bin of history.


Snow-Wraith

I feel quite similar, and I think a big reason is because we're expected to tolerate them, but what they're saying is intolerable. They're reasoning, if you can call it that, is based in ignorance, hate, and denial. And often they're specifically trying to find people that agree with them to validate their feelings or just argue with someone. It's just frustrating, like playing chess with a pigeon.


jovahkaveeta

I think young men with little purpose tend to be easy to radicalize against anything. Part of why we send em off to war I assume.


Koiq

your only problem is thinking this is a bad thing


Crawgdor2

This is hard to do with COVID, but you need to interact with people whose views you disagree with on a regular basis to remind yourself that despite your differences you also have a a lot of common ground. Find a volunteer organization or a church or something. Don’t allow yourself to be radicalized to the point that you see people you disagree with as subhuman, or are disgusted by them. That is how atrocities happen, on ALL sides of the political spectrum.


jokerTHEIF

You're not wrong. I don't know how to go about fixing that sort of thing, especially as you said it's difficult during covid, but also the other side isn't acting in anything resembling good faith. I just find it difficult to explain to others that they should care about other people. And at the start of the pandemic this resulted in mild frustration and confusion; at this point its hate. How can one watch what's happened with covid in this country and the rest of the world and still not understand that the barest minimum of effort to wear a mask and get a vaccine would prevent so much tragedy and suffering? And increasingly I am having difficulty with those on the left still trying to play by the rules and ask nicely for people to comply and I don't know how they aren't infuriated. I think the left's biggest problem is their unwavering loyalty to the rules and decorum. If we just play by the rules and don't shout and don't ruffle feathers and calmly explain why the right is wrong then of course they'll be forced to listen eventually because that's how it works in a society. Except time and time again the right has proven that they give exactly zero fucks. They'll exploit any loophole, they'll ignore any rule, they have no problem blockading and assaulting fucking hospitals... Hospitals for fuck sakes... How can you see someone preventing cancer patients from receiving their treatment in the name of not wearing a fucking mask and see them as human? I know it's wrong, I know they go home and have lives and families and small victories and problems and that yes they are technically people... But fuck... I can't wish anything for them except the same violence they are dishing out.


socialistlumberjack

I don't have a good solution but if it makes you feel better I feel pretty much the exact same way you do. I have to catch myself and stop myself from actively seeking out fights with anti-vaxxers on reddit sometimes -- it makes me feel good for a moment but in general it just makes me more angry. If an anti-vaxxer dies from covid then the only tragedy is that they were wasting space in a hospital bed that could have gone to someone else. Otherwise, good riddance to them.


reefedSinner

I agree and disagree, not much wrong with being upset at people who don’t have common decency or fucks to give about their fellow humans.


Fyrefawx

This is what spawned from Gamergate. 4chan used to be the fringe of society, now the toxic meme culture is mainstream. They are being taught early that SJWs are ruining the world and that and that everyone hates white guys. When people tried to cancel popular figures like Pewdiepie it made them double down.


tehsuigi

[Everything is Gamergate](https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844) (and long live Defector)


fencerman

There are legitimate grievances for young people generally, like around employment, home ownership, environmental issues, etc... - young men aren't exempt from that at all. I can see that easily being incubated and redirected towards various scapegoats and targets. It doesn't make the hate crimes justified, and usually the people lashing out are the ones least harmed by those, but the sense of "losing ground" can be a big motivator for hate for people whose identity has depended on a sense of superiority to other groups.


Danviers

Ie fascisms rise to power.


InClassRightNowAhaha

Its really easy to fall for all this shit, stuff like racism and mysoginy especially. We need more acountability cuz it hurts to see 13 year old boys say the most mysoginistic shit. For some its a phase but others never grow out of it it seems.


redrave9

As a 24M in Ontario, I can relate, education system is ridiculous and it’s hard to find a sense of direction for a lot of people I know


KryptikMitch

Too much attention as in people are actually talking about it?


michaelfkenedy

Same. I have a friend who is becoming paranoid about race. Every time he applies for a job, for example, he points out the “reverse racism” of giving preference to people who are not white. He frames anything that seems as though it might take opportunity from him as a race thing.


pseudok1n

Yeah I see this where I live too, people out here say “Trump 2020” quite a lot, and at that point I start to ask if this is even ironic. I personally tend not to talk openly about politics as I am very left leaning in one of the bluest seats in the country. In the rare instance I do talk politics, everyone ends up turning against me despite saying things that aren’t controversial elsewhere in Canada.


raisinbreadboard

white people have been oppressing all others for centuries. they do not appreciate the reputation they have earned themselves.


hellotrinity

Lmao at all the replies to your comment. You didn't say anything wrong. And in fact the replies kinda prove your point


raisinbreadboard

As a half white guy who lived downtown his whole life I’ve seen my fair share of fucked up shit. Sometimes bad things happen to bad people… But it bothers the FUCK outta me, when bad things happen to good people. The injustice destroys me inside.


Snow-Wraith

This type of attitude isn't helping any. Lumping in all white people as oppressive racists is racist itself, and it can push young white people to distrust other groups if they feel they're being labelled as racist despite never acting like it. From there it's easy to just let the hate flow and start acting racist to fit in and fight back.


raisinbreadboard

Lemme know where the black folk who are hanging around the white supremacy hate groups. Point them out to me and i'll give them a talking to.


Qbopper

look, i don't disagree with you but you really wildly do not understand why this person is taking some issue with your wording and the smug reply is kind of just fucking rude instead of making a valid point about how you shouldn't have to bend over backwards to appease every single person who might get upset about a statement that is generally valid, or wording your post differently so as to be clearer and not make people feel weird, you just... responded like a bit of an ass? nobody was implying black people vibe in white supremacist groups idfk what you were even going for with this post


raisinbreadboard

Because only white peoples gather like the KKK or the Nazi’s and target people. When have we ever heard about problems from the Black supremacist groups? NEVER What about the Asian supremacy group?? Ever seen them around? NOPE they don’t fucking exist. However yellow vests, the sons of Odin, the Oathkeepers, those are the groups that target your homes and spray paint “FUCK TRUDEAU” on your cars and making death threats on your family. SO WHY IS IT ONLY WHITE SUPREMACY GROUPS?? why have I NEVER heard of the Asian Supremacy groups??


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raisinbreadboard

BUT BUT BUT WHATTABOUT WHITE ON WHITE RACISIM FROM 500 YEARS AGO IN EUROPE??? OR WHAT ABOUT ASIAN ON ASIAN VIOLENCE?? fuck your whataboutisim. lets talk about the white supremacist problem that happening in Canada TODAY! its happening right now here in this country TODAY! RIGHT NOW! HERE!


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Jandishhulk

While you're right that whiteness is a recent construct, that distinction is only academic at this point. The racists and white supremacists don't care that it's a construct.


raisinbreadboard

I apologize. This is a hot topic and I took your words out of context. That’s my bad 100%. I’m too aggressive sometimes


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gnu_gai

Problem is that who counts as 'white' is not in fact particularly clear, and changes both between contexts and over time


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gnu_gai

Generally it means people of Frankish, Germanic, Nordic, Anglish, Dutch, or Slavic decent. Gets a little fuzzy when it comes to deciding whether to include Iberian, Italian, Greek or Turk, who are all definitely Caucasian but sometimes not considered 'white'. Get's real fuzzy with peoples like the Sámi. They're considered 'natives' in Scandinavia along the lines of the Inuit in Canada, but they've inhabited the area for less time than 'white' Scandinavians


jovahkaveeta

Not bullshit so much as not based on anything scientific. A person who is white today wouldn't have been recognized as white one hundred years ago Irish, Italian, Jewish. Its a social construct which doesn't actually describe a distinct group of people because the term was just created to divide people into groups of haves and have nots.


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hfxRos

You may not have done anything, but you've reaped the rewards of it by way of automatic privilege, and I assume you've done nothing to attempt to equalize that back to those who do not have that same level of privilege.


SQmo_NU

Fucking thank you.


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raisinbreadboard

YET WE ARE READING AN ARTICLE WRITTEN TODAY ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY IN CANADA


Crazy-Badger1136

I wouldn't get too far into it with people are clearly very sad that someone could consider them racist. They have had limited access to real life experiences. And what they have had is likely less involving people of other races. I'm a white dude. We have done some shit in our history BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, we benefit from a system meant to keep our skin colour on top.


hfxRos

> Yes, let's hate on the current generation for the mistakes of their ancestors This implies that modern day white people are any better. They're not, as an aggregate.


Nv1sioned

That's pretty racist


raisinbreadboard

i mean we've been recording history for some time now. We've been watching history unfold now and the last 100 years just haven't been great. white supremacy, the KKK, the German Nazi's Party etc etc. are white people getting angry that racial issues are getting to much attention because it puts them in a bad spotlight?


Crazy-Badger1136

No, white people (mostly their masters) know about power dynamics and access to resources. They feel threatened and they want their capitalist system to work, god damn it. That only it works is if there are slaves, and calling someone a lesser-than justifies the system. So long as one is an animal and the other is a human, based solely on the colour of your skin and your culture, you can best believe it works. And that is the whole point. It's why we also have classism and political wars. People want access to power and wealth and limit that same access to others. That's why we have unequals. That's why we have poverty. We would rather waste food than give it to those in need. If they had, then they could compete. That shits scary! Racism is rooted in power. Never forget why you struggle.


UhOhIGotAStinkyWinky

These two videos explain what is happening very well. [How they got there](https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g) [Why they feel the way they do](https://youtu.be/e-MP_yOHiV0)


GabTej

Teenage boys and young men have been and are still being actively recruited online by far right extremists and other neo nazis and white supremacists, so this is sadly not surprising. Monitor what your children and teenagers are doing online, people.


-TheMistress

Yup, these people are constantly trying to "red pill" people to their side


ADHDuruss

They have ruined that scene in the Matrix.


Guardymcguardface

They can't have it, frankly. I refuse to concede it.


hellotrinity

Same 😤


FUTURE10S

Just respond with "so you want to get a sex change operation?" It'll piss them off, and validate the transexual allegory in the Matrix.


CarolineTurpentine

Young people are always the ones being radicalized, like throughout history. Sure anyone is susceptible but the you are particularly easy to manipulate.


feel_the_darkness

quelle surprise


bettermakethatdecaf

I love it when I accurately predict the top comment.


Choppstickk

https://youtu.be/JVMA8EW_9-E


agha0013

People thought the only kids being radicalized were immigrants joining Islamic terrorist organizations. During that whole ISIS recruiting phase, we were ignoring a lot of other things going on. Fact is, there's a whole generation of kids that are looking at a busted planet, have parents that are not getting ahead while living a heck of a grind, and they have little to look forward to. So there are plenty of organizations, such as white supremacy or ultra right wing groups, that are radicalizing as many people as they can recruit. A song and dance about how, I dunno, immigrants and lefties are the cause of all the world's problems, and you can rope in a few kids to do your dirty work for you. As the environment continues to deteriorate and things like income inequality only get worse, the social issues are only getting worse, and lacking access to mental health resources certainly doesn't help either.


nsci2ece

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ Stop attributing the rise in white supremacy to economic desperation. It's pure bullshit. It's an innate desire by already-privileged people to express hate and be rewarded for it just like in the "good old days". Think about the actual working poor - the people toiling in the shittiest jobs, living in the shittiest apartments, etc. How many of them do you actually see at hate filled rallies? Do you think they even have the free time and energy for this shit?


agha0013

You're making a lot of blanket assumptions on things I haven't said. It's a pain to go point by point on my phone so this will be a bit sloppy. First off what I said isn't universal, so don't take it to be. The first example I gave wasn't even white supremacy. Secondly I'm not even talking about working class laborers or political rallies. The article you post isn't even really related to the article we are commenting on. We're talking about why certain peoe are committing hate crimes and you're wading in with an article on trump political rallies. While the two may have some connections here and there they are still rather different topics, and in different countries to boot


nsci2ece

Trump political rallies ARE breeding grounds of hate and white supremacy and their influence on events in Canada is undeniable.


akaryley551

It makes sense. Lots of youth feel disenfranchised with the state of things. These people are easily swayed by alt right types. Even social media algorithms reinforce this alt right pipe line behavior. Extremism will always ramp up when the future looks very unstable. EDIT:SPELLING


ADHDuruss

Not just swayed they are intentionally targeted.


superwinner

Young people, especially white males seemingly are a lot easier to con with right wing bs.


IvanTheGrim

When the whole point of the con is to appeal to young white men, it’s more successful in conning young white men. Duh.


Rinsaikeru

I think it's because it's entirely possible, for some white male people, to never quite empathize with women, or anyone in the LGBTQ community, or anyone who isn't white etc. And it's not like the media we're surrounded with, or social media, combats this take. I've talked with people whose whole framing/argument against socialized healthcare is "I'm healthy, so it's a waste of my money"--it's so lacking in both foresight and empathy, and I think it's the fundamental root of the problem. They feel slighted, but instead of looking for common ground with other people who are also struggling, they want to feel more powerful than those "other" people. No introspection, no empathy, just juvenile, thoughtless, festering rage, that all too often turns violent.


Marston357

Considering the NDP has abandoned the working class in favor of identity politics, I am not at all surprised. 3 year work visas have quadrupled and international student visas have tripled under the Liberal government. The only ones addressing the abuse of the immigration system and the resulting depression of wages/inflation of assets is the PPC and they are nutso. 60% of TFWs settle in the service industry, jobs traditionally for young people. Minimum wage if kept with domestic inflation should be 25$/hr. These issues go silent in the media. The rising resentment towards immigrants is disturbing and uncalled for, but also inevitable given the neo-liberal/con 'pro-business' policies which favor the exploitation of cheap international labor, and benefit politically from the divisiveness.


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varvite

They don't tell you to fuck off. And any one who tells you otherwise is lying to you so they can profit off your anger at a broken world.


akaryley551

That's not true at all. Lmao. Also, when you phrase it like that it makes it look like the right side is good


SimianFool

"If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."


ethereumhodler

Who said that? I love it. Fits right in with: “ strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.”


AccomplishedTiger327

sounds fashy


millijuna

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I’m old enough to have been in University when the Columbine massacre happened, before that there was the Montreal Massacre. I don’t know what the solution is, but the problems had been around for a long, long time.


Kinaed-

It’s almost like the mental health crisis these young men face, under toxic masculinity, has real life consequences for themselves and others. We let rage speak while empathy whispers, and it’s one of the key building blocks for toxic male outcomes. We need to massively rethink how we, as a society, engage with male youth.


KingScarz

Yep. You have that right 100%


Marston357

Toxic masculinity seems to have doubled down as a threat response. It's also not just men, women I have seen hold just as toxic views on men as men do. Thinking men are unattractive if they show too much emotion, or cry, or anything else.


Kinaed-

Absolutely accurate. I think what is getting lost in the conversation around feminism is the flip side of the coin—how we need to do better by men and also lift them up & challenge toxic stereotypes. It gets really frustrating when you see “male rights activists” existing purely to troll feminists/feminism. What good are they actually doing to help improve the challenges men face in society? I don’t personally view the need for progress on gender norms to be mutually exclusive, there is a lot of work we all need to do to make sure our brothers and sisters are healthy & happy.


nsci2ece

People of colour routinely face actual discrimination and oppression that straight white males never have to deal with, and we aren't facing an epidemic of incel rage attacks from PoC. This isn't to say that PoC commit zero crimes - every demographic has its problems - but if it was just a "toxic male" thing, we'd see a lot more PoC among the ranks of these losers.


michaelfkenedy

The most comfortable group (which is not to say all members of the group are comfortable) has the most to lose if things change, and has the most room to be vocal about that change.


bewarethetreebadger

Convince young men their home and way of life is under threat and they will do just about anything you tell them. Even more effective when they’re children. That’s how terrorism works.


Doctor_Amazo

Weird that Anti-Hate dances around the fact that these boys/men are white. I mean, sure it may seem obvious that the people shouting nazi slogans are white, but considering the reaction this article had in r/canada I think that the subtext does need to be made text sometimes.


BCCloudz

It’s also interesting that the same people who are tiptoeing around the fact it’s mainly white men/teenagers are also the fastest to pull up crime statistics immediately during any talk that involves race.


EccentricKumquat

A lot of it is white fragility trying to masquerade as genuine concern or really anything else other than white fragility.


KosmicKanuck

It's like that scene in "American History X" where the dad is brainwashing his son at dinner time with hate. I bet certain dad's are upset they've lost their ability to be openly racist and homophobic and are likely poisoning the minds of their sons while they are at an age of being easily influenced and full of angst and confusion as it is.


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EccentricKumquat

>They can't possibly understand why they're not allowed to trash other races but everyone's allowed to trash them. And here we are calling fragile for being angry about it? You are fragile because you are angry that white people can't trash other races? Because no one has "permission" to be racist - I don't know where you got this idea loool. Minorities being racist is just as bad as white people doing it. It almost sounds like you're angry that you aren't being allowed to be racist. >No, they're mad at the people who keep saying fuck white people this and fuck white people that. Lol, you know that white people are at the top of the privilege ladder, in Western society right? In no way are they victims of any sort of system, let alone this "conspiracy" of minorities saying "fuck white people" as you so put it. You're delusional if you think this is the discourse in mainstream media because it's the exact opposite - fuck minorities this and fuck foreigners that. You have to be insanely stupid even among reddit standards given that the whole of MSM (across the Globe) was looking for a missing girl (Gabby Petito) because she is WHITE, and reddit (and some other MSM critics have finally had enough of missing WOC being ignored). White people are privileged far beyond anything reasonable and you are treating them like they're being persecuted. >They're mad at the people who hate them for things they've never done. And that's a reason to go out and commit hate crimes? Versus the minorities who just vent and then move on with their lives LOL. >I'm not white Lol what is your background then? Also the best arguments do not hinge on the identity of their proponents. So if you were hoping that saying "I'm not white" helped your case in any way, I hate to say it, but all it did is make you look as if you are white and are lying about it.


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socrates28

Classic fascism builds a pretty open coalition, just hating the left. However, once they make gains the in group perpetually shrinks until only cis straight white men remain. They'll always make up the bulk of fascists but at the start aren't exclusively white.


NotEnoughDriftwood

Most 20th century fascist movements had racism and/or antisemitism at their core. They were Christian ethnonationalists at the very least, and if they didn't start of as antisemitic or racist, that quickly changed. [Source](https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Varieties-of-fascism)


Doctor_Amazo

>I think the main issue is that it's not really productive to put too fine a point on race Except that if you don't bother mentioning that it's mainly white men being lured into white supremacist groups with the usual "hey bud, it's OK to be white" nonsense, you're not addressing anything.


bewarethetreebadger

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and it’s committing hate crimes. Maybe there’s a fucking duck problem.


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NotEnoughDriftwood

Who's saying that? I'm pretty sure what we're saying here is that the overwhelming majority of neo-Nazis/white supremacists are white.


bewarethetreebadger

Who the fuck is saying that? Nobody’s ever called me those things.


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ecothropocene

>Then as the focus shifted to Black Lives Matter, there was lots of talk about everything being white men’s fault. >Their educator can be any any race but darker skins of a race are preferred and will never be a man educating a woman Can you provide proof, ive never heard these >Let’s remember INCLUSIVE means not EXCLUDING anyone https://www.basw.co.uk/resources/psw-magazine/psw-online/%E2%80%98when-you%E2%80%99re-accustomed-privilege-equality-feels-oppression%E2%80%99


bewarethetreebadger

Whenever I hear someone bitch and complain to me about how “white men are being blamed for everything” I just tune out because I know they’re not talking about me. I’m not an asshole, which makes me not part of the problem. You’re not my brother just because we’re both white men. Being white does not make us family. Thing is, if you’re an asshole, they **ARE** talking about you. So try not being an asshole and see how your perspective changes.


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As a trans woman in Newfoundland, I worry about people below 35 a lot more than boomers. Where I live is a lot of oil money fly west jobs. So all that ideology has been pumped here for two decades.


kabab3

One thing that this article is not mentioning is that the younger cohort are as inclusive as they can be bigoted. I work a lot with high school aged students and nearly all of them are very inclusive and out spoken about it. While it may be true that alot of bigotry is breeding in this group I think there is a strong counter reaction to it. I hope that’s a bit of comfort for you


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BCCloudz

I’m guessing you’re white cause if you weren’t you wouldn’t be saying that cause the internet has been shitty since day 1. Besides that I do get your point you’re trying to make. The algorithm greatest strength of feeding people the stuff they want to see has created echo chambers by result. The thing that sucks is that there is zero way to fix it unless you have government regulations which will bring about a new era of censorship in the west.


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okThisYear

A tale as old as time


Arctic_Gnome

I thought Gen Z was going to be better. Why are they going down this dark road?


BCCloudz

Hopelessness. The world we are inheriting is dying, wealth gap is the most it’s ever been, and housing has slowly become a thing only for rich people. People tend to lean into the extremes of one of the sides and it gets harder and harder to remain near the centre.


AccomplishedTiger327

"BoTh sIdEs"


Arctic_Gnome

That's all true, but hate crimes won't fix those problems. What you need is either stronger labour laws or unionization.


Qbopper

i do genuinely mean this well and not as an insult, but as a zoomer: do you not use the internet outside of reddit much or something? the alt right radicalization pipeline is pretty well documented at this point with how fucking absolutely hopeless it is to be a young person in society right now you kind of will end up gravitating towards hard left or hard right, unless you're in a position where you can continue being clueless about the world (which, admittedly, that's still the right wingers)


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EccentricKumquat

Finally someone else who's thoughts have a basis in rationality. I'm a minority, and I was bullied relentlessly, abused while growing up, but I didn't grow up to be a mass shooter or a terrorist, lol. These racists have no excuse, their age makes no difference in their malice and culpability.


Annual-Let-551

Well I can assure you, it is far more complicated than “the most entitled people not getting what they want”.


SmoothObservator

It's not far of, they're being told that they aren't getting what they're owed because immigrants took it all. The Canadian dream we were sold is no more, not because immigrants but because the rich have managed to keep wages stagnant and use temporary foreign workers which also get the blame and take the heat off the rich. I dont blame anyone for coming here because they want a better life, theres enough pie for all of us. We just need to wrestle control of the pie from the rich.


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Qbopper

i feel like it's dangerous to just state this take and leave it at that, like so, what, are we not supposed to care about the situations that cause these people to do horrific things? you don't need to sympathize with or feel bad for someone committing hate crimes in order to acknowledge what pushed them closer to it? i'm the last person that's going to defend a white straight cis guy committing violence because of fucking insane conspiracy tier bullshit, i am one of the people who would be targeted; but idk something about this angle strikes me as odd


aclick1999

YEP. Women are gaining higher education than men in increasing rates and accepting higher paying jobs. Companies are becoming more racially diverse, scouring talent around the world. A tattoo or being gay doesn't seems like as much (though we're far from perfect) as factor in getting into school/jobs/clubs...etc. Historically disenfranchised groups are excelling today. So we can't just blame the state of the world. The blame lays on (mostly white) privileged young men who never needed to really try. Give your bare minimum and get a job and house and a women who can't open a personal bank account, congrats. Now they have to complete with the groups they've historically stomped on for the same opportunities, and they just aren't equipped frankly. And nobody cares boo-hoo. And white men are STILL soooo exceptionally privileged. It's narcissistic delusion. If you're mad at women because they won't date you, or a POC for getting that advancement over you. YOU are the problem. Fix you on your own, it's not anybody else's responsibility. I've never threatened to kill a man for not texting me back, shot up a mall, or committed a racial hate crime because I am a good person with emotional control. HBU mans?


Marston357

> Funny how young people of colour and women don’t just start committing hate crimes when things aren’t going their way. You know people of color and women are systematically oppressed, and that shows up in numerous other ways? Why do you have compassion for them, but not economically oppressed white people? They are getting squeezed by the rich too. The difference is if they reject a Marxist framework they of course redirect their oppression into racial crimes.


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Marston357

It's funny how this is the exact same thing the Racists say when they spout off violent crime statistics by race and you explain them by socio-economic conditions. We can hold individuals accountable for their actions while still viewing the trends as a result of larger mechanisms.


Qbopper

? you can acknowledge that racists are shit people while also analyzing what caused them to become racist tf is this logic


J4H301

Being "oppressed" does not give any person the right commit crimes. They are choosing to be racist. They are choosing to take their anger and hate real or not on POC and other marginalized groups. There is no excuse for this behaviour.


HeliRyGuy

Wait. So the age demographic that commits the most crime, coupled with the gender that commits the most crime… is committing the most _insert crime du jour here_? Gasp.


marmaladegrass

[https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/grade-8-hate-speech-video-prompts-police-investigation-at-local-school-4345578](https://www.baytoday.ca/local-news/grade-8-hate-speech-video-prompts-police-investigation-at-local-school-4345578) This just happened in my city...Grade 8 students... ​ >Submitted video footage shows students wearing Algonquin uniforms walking across the school's athletic field while some in the group can be heard yelling epithets such as "F\*ck the Jews," and "Heil Hitler." Witness accounts say one of the participants played the Nazi anthem from an audio device. 


SCOPED_IN_SCULL

I don’t understand why, or even how people can dispense so much hate for others for seemingly no reason


kind-of-there

Women, minorities, and queer people are finally feeling comfortable being open about their lives and circumstances and that makes the people with white and/or male privilege feel threatened, and now we’re here.


Deadwing2005

They get pulled into alt-right gateways like Joe Rogan and the next thing you know they're posting Pepe memes and ranting about antifa.


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bgoneofme

Because he consistently platforms alt right figures while doing the very bare minimum to argue against their propaganda if that. Joe Rogan isn't a nazi, but he's a dumbass nazi enabler.


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tehsuigi

To be glib, the problem is that if you try and focus on the structural racism in society, you have to challenge the political and economic leaders within that society to do better and stop the structural racism. And who are those political and economic leaders? Predominantly cishet white guys!


cammy511

I'm a cishet white guy, and thats where the similarities between us end. These people come from *very* privileged backgrounds for the most part, and have lived lives so far removed from the experience of the average Canadaian. These guys don't represent me, my experience, or my values, they just look like me. I have way more in common with the people of colour that I work with everyday, than I do with someone like Trudeau, or O'Toole, or Doug Ford. Though I'll never deny white privilege, economic privilege, is the ultimate privilege. Money changes *everything*.


Moosyfate17

Predominantly ELITE Cishet white guys.


BCCloudz

Slapping an “elite” doesn’t remove the cishet white guys part. The general public have bought into this narrative that no matter how much you change it or butter it up cishet white males with be public enemy numero uno until something bigger comes which is impossible


Koiq

this is exactly the point if our collective anger was directed in the right places (capitalist elites) we could actually collectively organize and improve life for everyone (except for the ruling class) it’s textbook divide and conquer. And don’t think that the “woke” narrative isn’t just as much a part of top down executive division. Just as you very well put, that blame, the blame from media and institutional messaging, is part of the radicalization process. **THE WHOLE POINT** is to turn working class people against each other. If the broke, trod on while man hates the broke, trod on trans women, hates the broke, trod on rural farmer hates the broke, trod on black man then no one is looking for their real oppressors.


varvite

CIS het white guy here - no we aren't all being blamed. That's a bs narrative. Being asked to listen to minority voices when they speak to their experiences is not being blamed. Being asked to understand that the system is more broken for people of certain demographics is not being blamed for that inequality. You don't fix a broken system without understanding how it's broken.


HoboBandit82

I guarantee it related to how shitty its getting to live here. We have it awesome compared to other places, but people are starting to feel disenfranchised when they see how well our parents had it, and their parents as well. And now we can't even buy a house because our government is literally against us. Its easy to just want to blame anyone and anything. Depression is a terrible thing.


MamaMersey

Boys have always been violent because our society glorifies violence and has for centuries.


avatinfernus

Why always more boys than girls? Our culture, many cultures, put pressure on boys/men to be strong and agressive and not to show sadness or compassion. And if a man is victim of domestic abuse I guess that just makes him a pussy etc. (And this jugemental behavior comes from both other men and women) I hope this changes and that we can take the pressure off and stop stigmatizing men who are victims or are depressed... someday. And maybe it's just me (personal opinion), but I also think teenage boys specially need physical activities as constructive outlets.


NotEnoughDriftwood

I think you should read the article. White supremacists target activities boys are involved in and the type of music they like. We have to be on the look out for toxic masculinity because that's what groups play on. But the MRA shit you're spouting is is not helpful and doesn't tell the full story.


avatinfernus

Yeah and why do they (extremists groups in general) target young boys and not young girls?


NotEnoughDriftwood

Because these groups are also rife with misogyny. >Male supremacy was fundamental to the foundation of the racist “alt-right,” and in many ways served as its “gateway drug.” It is characterized by angry rants blaming feminism for the decline of Western civilization and deriding feminists as “Social Justice Warriors." Personalities like "alt-right" facilitator Milo Yiannopoulos, conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich, pick-up artist Roosh V. (a.k.a. Daryush Valizadeh) and Return of Kings and altright.com writer Matt Forney also constantly straddle the line between more formal “alt-right” circles and the male supremacist world. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy


avatinfernus

I get that. And that's true. It's true much of the alt-right is extremily sexist and even against basic women rjghts like voting. But you could have female alt right groups that are sexist and violent too. You just dont see it as much. If you look at stats around the world you find most violent crimes are comitted hy men across the board. Clearly more boys than girls find appeal in sexist/hateful/violent groups and it begs the question. That was my point.


citoyenne

The alt-right is built on white supremacist patriarchy. It appeals to white men by telling them that they're superior to everyone else, and that women and minorities need to be put in their place. That wouldn't work with girls/women because telling them that they're superior and deserve to dominate contradicts the alt-right's whole ideology. The alt-right does try to appeal to women with messages about how happier we all were under "traditional" gender roles, but the problem is that a) that's transparent bullshit, and b) even the women dumb enough to fall for it eventually get alienated when the men in the movement inevitably treat them like garbage.


avatinfernus

Yeah I recall that news headline a few years back that women in the alt right were tired of being treated like shit. It was so ironic. And yet.. some women in there seem to be at ease and try to spread their BS. But like you said I dont think it'll stick much when they get mistreated by their own crowd... but we'll see. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10041621/extreme-far-right-barbies-women/ Like women who got recruited to be ISIS brides.


NotEnoughDriftwood

>But you could have female alt right groups that are sexist and violent too. You just dont see it as much. Can you name any? What question are you begging exactly? The white supremacist groups that target young men are misogynist. The alt-right talking heads and alt-right pipeline personalities spout misogynist sound bites almost as much as they do racist ones.


sigmaluckynine

More boys are falling behind than girls. If you look at (American) data you see that there's more females in universities than males. You need to be educated in this economy to have any economic mobility Also, have you noticed more boys being nihilistic? For the most part of history they've coasted through life with very little difficulties in the past but they're seeing increasing levels of competition because the traditional barriers and privilege have been breaking down year over year. Hard to not feel like you're not being attacked when you compare it to the "good old days"


nsci2ece

Then don't compare it to the good old days? Maybe put some fucking effort into your studies and learn a god damned skill. A lot of these men are gamers - I am one too. Surely they understand that you don't top the leaderboards in COD without learning and practicing? Same with real life.


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sigmaluckynine

Well not really - we don't have affirmative action in Canada for good reasons. We are however recognizing that there's cognitive biases which helps equal out the playing field. So we went from disregarding a talented woman, let's say, that is equally as good or better than her male counterparts but never got recognized to recognizing we have cognitive bias and treating things more meritoriously


avatinfernus

Yes. What we need is equality for all. We were happy women caught up but now it's time to make sure everyone everyone has equal opportunity of education and equal motivation too!


sigmaluckynine

I mentioned it in a reply to the other person but at the risk of sounding like a parrot, we don't have affirmative action in education It's not that men, specifically white men, don't have access to the same opportunities, they just don't have the privilege that older generations enjoyed for a static characteristic from birth. So, my last point in my post was that it's hard not to feel attacked because you're comparing how things might have been for, let's say, his dad which was easier because the dynamic was different. Compare to today, and you can't coast by - you actually have to work for it


TZMarketing

Hmm... Are these boys white?


neuron1007

The ISIS/Al-Quida types are also young men/boys. Just mostly brown. Having been one, I can say young men are incredibly impressionable, full of energy, and very ready to blindly embrace ideology. They usually take risks without thought and are also easy to goad into violence. This has been the case since the beginning of humanity.


wheresflateric

Teenage boys and young men are disproportionately behind all violent crimes.


RighteousTnuc

Our society is failing our men and boys. It's a fucking tragedy.


evilpercy

It is like you have a whole generation of young men that can not afford anything. They look at their parents and how straight out high school could find a good paying job. They could marry have a house and car on any job, even minimum wage (that is what minimum wage is for). They are under pressure to start their lives. Their parents think they are lazy (because they do not realize the world has changed). All of this lead to young people with a lot of anger. They have to expel this energy some wear. So the people in charge an like this system see this and focus it with a simple trick ( politicians). Blame. Why is it like this? Is it my fault? Propaganda tell them, No you are not to blame. Young people "oh I like that". The foreigners are taking your jobs (randy marsh voice). This takes the pressure of the leaders. As this line also tells them they did nothing wrong, win win. And the people spreading just sit back and watch (super wealthy). People always need an "out" of their guilt. Some one to blame others then their selves. They do not realize that you can do everything right and still lose.


ShoeHoles

I envision a world where nobody wants to understand each other. Write each other off for any number of resons and apply severe titles to them. As a justification of disassociation and maybe hatred. That one guy leans conservative? Hes just a nazi so i don't have to care what they think. That one lady leans left, shes just a commy or maybe antifa and wants to desrtroy the country. Its so much more complicated with race. People are so quick to alienate each other, anyone who reads this. I emplore you, consider what you do day to day. Have u ever heard somebody talk for 2 minutes and wrote them off? Associated them with some horrible group or ideoligy? Everyone has, everyone does. All you can do is be conscience about it. If more people are conscience of it we can be stronger collaborators, and get more productive things done. :(


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NotEnoughDriftwood

Sure. They just have one of Canada's leading experts on extremism on their advisory committee: >The Canadian Anti-Hate Network is an independent, nonprofit organization made up of Canada’s leading experts and researchers on hate groups and hate crimes. Our Advisory Committee includes academics like Dr. Barbara Perry, court-recognized experts on hate crimes, lawyers with decades of experience with hate groups, people who stood up to the neo-Nazi Heritage Front in the 1990s, and leaders in communities that are being targeted by hate. >We have relationships with colleagues and organizations doing similar work internationally, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, and experts in deradicalisation. Our mandate is to monitor, research, and counter hate groups by providing education and information on hate groups to the public, media, researchers, courts, law enforcement, and community groups.


dsac

>Idk why but when I see a website named "antihate.ca" I'm a little skeptical of their intentions. Especially considering some of the articles they have shared lol ah yes, some real head-scratchers in this list... >WHITE SUPREMACIST LIVE STREAM FEATURING NICK FUENTES HELD AT PPC CANDIDATE'S ELECTION PARTY and >KNOWN WHITE NATIONALISTS SPOTTED AT VIOLENT ANTI-TRUDEAU DEMONSTRATION and >PPC RIDING DIRECTOR RUNS MULTIPLE WHITE NATIONALIST SOCIAL ACCOUNTS and >MEET THE ISLAMOPHOBIC PPC CANDIDATE PEDDLING ONLINE CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN SHADY FACEBOOK GROUPS and >FAILED PPC CANDIDATES JOIN WHITE SUPREMACIST CONFERENCE IN OTTAWA totally suspicious... >[As a ppc voter who was just voting ppc because I didn't want to see a vaccination passport, I completely disagree with some of the articles the website has shared. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/pukrih/teensge_boys_young_men_disproportionately_behind/he4cr6v/) and there it is...