Did teachers get to the front of the vaccine line so we could close school and work from home?
By - duhkhanada
I am a service tech and go into people’s homes every day for work. Lockdown means I can’t work. However my wife is a teacher doing online teaching. She got the vaccine before me and I couldn’t be happier. I don’t give a shit how it happens, get more people vaccinated.
I don’t care if I’m next or thousands of others are. I care about everyone getting that opportunity and I hate people thinking they deserve it over others. Everyone deserves it. Also, she has been doing online schooling for this whole year and works 10-12 hour days to make it exciting and educational for the kids. She works hard, and I say she deserves to be vaccinated.
> I don’t give a shit how it happens, get more people vaccinated.
The right attitude to have.
Every shot no matter who, helps us all.
If there is a surplus of actual supply, this logic is sound.
If there is a surplus of an ethereal 'future' supply, this logic appears sound.
If there is a scarce supply, this logic is abysmal.
I'm not really sure which one we're at, because every news source and politician will tell a different story on the matter. If it just comes down to faith at a certain point, I'll just be chillin for a bit longer I guess.
> If there is a scarce supply,
Not scarce. We are getting more than a million doses next week. Google for projected deliveries.
See hypothesis #2.
I’m not saying the government is lying about their procurement capacity, but I also know that logistical estimates tend to skew in favour of the one providing the estimate, not the end user.
While I want to agree so badly with this line of thinking - its incredibly hard when you work in a high risk high contact workplace and you worry constantly about bringing it home to compromised family members.
Its not a black and white situation.
> its incredibly hard when you work in a high risk high contact workplace
I understand this because I am in a similar situation. It was a great relief when I got a shot.
I hope you get your chance real soon.
> I don’t give a shit how it happens, get more people vaccinated.
Exactly! That's what I first thought, good, the more people vaccinated, the better. Cut the line. If that decides if you get it or not, go in front of me. If you're higher risk, go ahead. It's criminal teachers had to wait so long, anyways. But that's a whole other issue. It's great your wife has so much passion.
I have whined a bit about not being eligible yet, (mostly being 36 and AZ for 40+ was like, "damnit!") but my turn will come soon enough! We're doing well the past few days numbers, so the wait won't be long. I'm not working and everyone in my house is vaccinated, they were higher risk (age) so I don't fear getting it beyond all precautions I take and infecting them as much. I worry.
Agree completely. The time for kvetching about order was 9 months ago -- now it is time to just get shots in arms, as fast as supply allows.
As much as I am annoyed that I have to wait personally (I am "higher risk" and young but not highest risk, so I am still waiting) it is what it is. Chances are even an older teacher is more likely to survive COVID than me. The experts are making decisions based on weighing the evidence and information as best they can.
Turned out that way.
However, its a good thing for all of us that people are getting vaccinated. I don't care if some of them went early. Too many teachers did get infected in the work place.
Now .... DO GROCERY STORE WORKERS!
It would be better to vaccinate those who aren’t working from home and who are essential and most at risk.
Maybe they should open schools back up if all the teachers are vaccinated. They basically jumped the line. That’s fords fault though... he should have just told them all work from home and they can be last on the list for vaccines since they won’t work in the school until September.
all those people still go to grocery stores and pharmacies... so it's better for everyone if they are vaccinated.
Local PH units started adding teachers to the vaccine priority group for the planned april break so they could all be done before school returned. Remember the sunday prior Lecce said schools were safe, only to be at a press conference the next day shutting down schools - after local PH units began the roll out.
You're right if they can work from home they should probably be waiting, but the clumsy roll out made it work differently.
essential worker here who is <40 and not been given a vaccine date from local PH other than 'soon.' I feel ya. But more vaccines in anyones arms protects me too, in a different way
The situation changed.
The fact is, there are now a few thousand people more vaccinated in Niagara and they now have some protection against the virus. I fail to see a downside.
Children can still get infected and spread it around.
Teachers in Niagara got the vaccine because of a push from the Mayor and the DSBN. Vaccines were to be scheduled over the April break.
At the time, few other boards were trying to get their teachers vaccinated and as far as anyone knew, school would be in-person after the break.
Doug Ford and Stephen Lecce decided that schools across the province would go to online learning, and that was announced on the Tuesday of the break.
I think that given the information they had at the time, the Niagara region made the right call to vaccinate teachers over the break, even if the other boards weren't going to do so. Closing the schools was a provincial decision, not a regional one, and not announced until after vaccine appointments had been made. Hindsight is 20/20 on this one.
This. Also, takes 2-3 wks before effective, so the plan is to have this occur before back in classrooms.
Kids won’t go back till September... “two weeks” who gives a shit. Teachers got front of the line when they won’t have to go to work in class until September.
> Teachers got front of the line
Several people told you the reason why that happened.
Why are you still on this stupid point?
>Teachers got front of the line when they won’t have to go to work in class until September
No, teachers got "front of the line" when they were told they would that everyone would be returning after the break. Which, to be fair, meant that they'd in a room with 10-25 other people for up to four hours, which I would consider fairly risky.
The decision to stay online happened **after teachers were already getting vaccinated**.
You have a direct line to Lecce for that info?
Fack eh! Don’t want to make a bet? 🐔
I’ll bet you a hundo bucks. Deal?
So again, before they go back as I said. Interesting that you know more than everyone else. Not that that may not happen, you just seem to know it all before anyone else, even the experts.
The flaw in your logic is that vaccinating teachers doesn't stop kids from passing it amongst each other and then onto others. Schools were literally driving the infection rate up, as opposed to earlier waves where they mirrored the general population.
There’s no flaw to my logic. I only question why teachers have priority for a vaccine when school then get shut down.
Why are dayhome and daycare providers not eligible. They are still working, yet teachers when ahead of them.
No matter where the line gets drawn to create the stages, people will bitch. Certain industries are probably higher than they should be on the listing based on unions as well, or industry groups that have sway with the government, other groups should be on the list but are far from it since they have no voice.
Without saying what your partner's industry is, no one can offer their opinion. The issue isn't around the safety of the teachers (teaching remotely), but the students were providing a significant amount of cases and in turn bringing that home to their families.
While grocery store workers are essential workers, very rarely would they fit the definition of a close contact since no one in the public would be around them for 15 minutes.
Airline pilot. Has to travel the world, can’t wear a mask while flying because it’s a safety issue. Imagine travelling the world and getting a free pass to not social distance, not wear a mask and not have to isolate when you return. Yet not eligible for vaccine while teachers get a vaccine to work from home.
> Yet not eligible for vaccine
If they are over 40 they are eligible right now.
Fair enough. Should be up there in my book, but as far as the steps taking at the airport and on the job the only worry would be if anyone else in the cockpit is a concern. Are they doing rapid testing?
Also thank them for keeping me safe with my travels. If they fly a Canadian passenger airline there is a good chance I have been on one of their flights.
Niagara public health decided to prioritize getting in person educators vaccinates. Then the Ontario government decided that all schools were going to be online, after Niagara told educators that they could get vaccinated.
Don't blame teachers for this. They were told they can get vaccinated regionally, and then a provincial decision was made to keep them home.
I’m not blaming teachers I’m blaming the coordination of our government and why their policy makes so many wrong moves all the time. Teachers who got vaccinated and are working from home now took a shot away from someone who can’t work from home. And the virus will spread an kill some of these people. Priority!
Looks like no one agrees knob gobbler
Gawd. Another reason for people who resent teachers to resent teachers.